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#1 brescue

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:02 PM

We move RW a/c around without medical crew on board. This creates an issue with moving the narcotics for the on coming shift. We have a safe on board but have never used it. Are there teams that use their safes and is there specific rules/regs in doing so?

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#2 Jwade

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

We move RW a/c around without medical crew on board. This creates an issue with moving the narcotics for the on coming shift. We have a safe on board but have never used it. Are there teams that use their safes and is there specific rules/regs in doing so?

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Our Narcotics were never left in the AC, they were on the medical crew at all times in leg pocket, thus eliminating your issue completely.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:16 PM

We do the same for normal operations. Sometimes an a/c moves to another base without a team thus the need to move the narcotics on the a/c.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:35 PM

We do the same for normal operations. Sometimes an a/c moves to another base without a team thus the need to move the narcotics on the a/c.



I am still confused. What does the AC have to do with having Narcotics aboard? The narcotics should be at the base with the team members. Why would a base not have narcotics? Maybe i am missing something in your description, I apologize if that is the case here.

Even if there is no team at the base, their should be Narcotics locked up somewhere in the base? That should eliminate the need to transfer them on the AC with no accountability.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

Even if there is no team at the base, their should be Narcotics locked up somewhere in the base? That should eliminate the need to transfer them on the AC with no accountability.

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Like John said. Our FW narcs are locked up in the base load-out room. Seals checked every morning (24 hour shift). Crew going out takes narcs with them. We have a relatively large bag since we do cross-country, as well as shorter, flights. The bag also has syringes, etc. Still, that bag has a shoulder strap and is with a FCM the entire time until we return to base and restock gear in the equipment room.

What's more, if your aircraft isn't in a temp-controlled environment, it's probably better not to have the drugs sitting out there on frigid or broiling days.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

When I started flying, we had our scheduled substances locked in the AC; however, the policy was changed to be more or less like what John and Mordechai have described. From an accountability and legal standpoint, keeping the scheduled medications with the flight crew is probably the best practice.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

The on duty are responsible for the controlled substances and have to secure them. If they are in the AC they have to be locked with two locks or on their person. Which means if the AC has to leave the crew then the crew must ensure the drugs are secure. Usually that requires taking all of the narcs out and carrying them. Bit of a pain.
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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:22 PM

The on duty are responsible for the controlled substances and have to secure them. If they are in the AC they have to be locked with two locks or on their person. Which means if the AC has to leave the crew then the crew must ensure the drugs are secure. Usually that requires taking all of the narcs out and carrying them. Bit of a pain.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

Thanks everyone. I guess we have a unique situation. Sometimes we move a RW a/c to our hanger from the mountains for big snowstorms. This sometimes happens between shifts and the off going crew does not follow the a/c. The on coming crew then responds to the hanger, not the mountain base. We then have a crew, a/c and no narcotics. We have tried having narcs at the hanger but that lead to accountability issues since no medical crew are there on a regular basis. We will continue to ponder this issue.

Thanks again.
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