Jump to content


Photo

Camts Question


  • Please log in to reply
6 replies to this topic

#1 medic31

medic31

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 53 posts

Posted 29 April 2008 - 01:52 AM

I am having trouble finding the answer. Does CAMTS require nomex flight suits or is it a recommendation only. I have read through the standards but can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
  • 0

#2 MSDeltaFlt

MSDeltaFlt

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 559 posts

Posted 29 April 2008 - 03:00 AM

I coundn't find it online. I don't think it does mention it.
  • 0
Mike Hester, RRT/NRP/FP-C
Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear -- Mark Twain

#3 Michael Collins

Michael Collins

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 99 posts

Posted 29 April 2008 - 05:56 AM

CAMTS Accreditation Standard 02.04.01
"The service should have written operational policies to address each of the areas listed below:
.
.
.
6. Physical well-being is promoted through:
.
.
.
c. Protective clothing and dress code pertinent to:
.
.
.
- Safe operations, which may include:
.
.
.
* Flame retardant clothing."

So it is not a requirement.

I am having trouble finding the answer. Does CAMTS require nomex flight suits or is it a recommendation only. I have read through the standards but can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?


  • 0

#4 Mike Mims

Mike Mims

    Advanced Member

  • Moderators
  • PipPipPip
  • 1668 posts

Posted 29 April 2008 - 12:40 PM

I am having trouble finding the answer. Does CAMTS require nomex flight suits or is it a recommendation only. I have read through the standards but can't find it. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I believe in the future Nomex flight suits will be manditory. Research has show Nomex is MUCH more superior to Poly/cotton and/or cotton.
The contoversey over the required use of Helmets by CAMTS started many years ago and now as of the 2006 Standards, Helmets are now required.
  • 0

Mike Mims

Aircare

University of Mississippi Medical Center


#5 Macgyver

Macgyver

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 868 posts

Posted 30 April 2008 - 09:08 AM

as of the 2006 Standards, Helmets are now required.


true for RW but not ground or FW... Ground is definitely a life saver (just ask Dr. Nadine Levik who does ambulance crash research) as the head strike envelope is nowhere near as well designed.

For FW operations in the bush (Australia, Canada, Africa) helmets should be worn. Check these links out and imagine how much you can be thrown around even on a normal landing. Again, not a lot of ergonomic engineering for the head strike envelope in some systems. Especially if you have a Lifeport Serviplex and plug things into it or hang items off a roof rail...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=782JRhMsNFQ
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rwkxoLI8e1w

And these are just plain fun (from my old SAR outfit - 500' contour searches in the arctic mountains are a blast)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bXnlXbFX4Ls
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=S4fObCjTpf4

(the guy drilling the hole in the ice is checking to see if it is 14" thick or not. If not it is unsafe to land on!!! (note that the engine are left on and the aircraft keeps moving - if under 12" they bug out and leave the poor flight engineer behind to find a safe spot. If none available they will do a taxi-by at running speed and he jumps back in)

And from a fuel cache resupply missions to exploration mining camps in Nunavut with the same company that vended our King Airs (and did the South Pole rescue a few years back)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6CnYdYKKCSM
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qF9Xzdp6zVc
  • 0
Ken BHSc, RN, REMT-P

#6 C3 Inc.

C3 Inc.

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 133 posts

Posted 23 October 2008 - 01:53 AM

true for RW but not ground or FW... Ground is definitely a life saver (just ask Dr. Nadine Levik who does ambulance crash research) as the head strike envelope is nowhere near as well designed.

For FW operations in the bush (Australia, Canada, Africa) helmets should be worn. Check these links out and imagine how much you can be thrown around even on a normal landing. Again, not a lot of ergonomic engineering for the head strike envelope in some systems. Especially if you have a Lifeport Serviplex and plug things into it or hang items off a roof rail...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=782JRhMsNFQ
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rwkxoLI8e1w

And these are just plain fun (from my old SAR outfit - 500' contour searches in the arctic mountains are a blast)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bXnlXbFX4Ls
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=S4fObCjTpf4

(the guy drilling the hole in the ice is checking to see if it is 14" thick or not. If not it is unsafe to land on!!! (note that the engine are left on and the aircraft keeps moving - if under 12" they bug out and leave the poor flight engineer behind to find a safe spot. If none available they will do a taxi-by at running speed and he jumps back in)

And from a fuel cache resupply missions to exploration mining camps in Nunavut with the same company that vended our King Airs (and did the South Pole rescue a few years back)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6CnYdYKKCSM
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=qF9Xzdp6zVc


Helmets are not required, but what is, is a head protection envelope or padding. Nomex is not required, but flame retardant clothing is. They also address Pilot hours for training, local flying area defined, Safety committee requirements, weather mins, a programs dedicated dispatch center is also not required. Doing an article for the Jan 09 Verticle 911 on CAMTS requirements so Ive been boning up on the new 6th edit standards. (real fun)
  • 0
Richard A. Patterson
MBA, NR/CCEMT-P, MICP, FP-C, CFI, CFII, AGI, IGI
Critical Care Concepts, Inc.
www.CriticalCareConcepts.net
Email: info@CriticalCareConcepts.net

#7 MedicNurse

MedicNurse

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 162 posts

Posted 23 October 2008 - 03:11 AM

Let me add that the mighty CAMTS detail a plan that addresses CRM and continued vigilance and non-punatative learning experience from case studies. I learn from situations I was involved in - but, there is a lot to be learned in situations when I was not involved in, but mistakes were made. Return and repeat, repeat and you may NOT return.

Also, when communication breaks down - all crew folks are in danger.

Let's work on that.

Just a thought.

Fly SAFE!!!
  • 0