Re: paramedicine and RN bridging

[Nick Nudell <paramednick@comcast.net>]

> They're different jobs, folks.  Get on with your lives, and let's end this
> stupid argument

I didn't know that this was an argument being made...?

I asked about the education to become an RN, to learn those other aspects
that I have not already learned. I worked in the same capacity as an ED RN
( what is JCAHO??) for about two years, I think I have as much of an
appreciation for that point as anyone.

I find a general problem when people compare each other... leads to the
'keep up with the Joneses' mentality, always trying to top one another. That
should not be the goal. Betterment of yourself should be however.

Just my humble opinion.
Nick



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Nick Nudell, NREMT-P, CCEMT-P
California
nudell@prehospital-perspective.com

"Perception is reality" - Wise Old Paramedic




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Brosius" <reno316@hotmail.com>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: paramedicine and RN bridging


> I'm only going to chime in on this ONE time... It might not be exciting
> reading (probable)... it might offend (possible)... it might enlighten
> (unlikey)...
>
> Paramedics are paramedics.  Nurses are nurses.  They are TWO SEPERATE
> PROFESSSIONS!  They are not... again, NOT... the same job.
>
> Paramedics have a job:  To keep a living patient alive long enough to get
> the aforementioned patient to others who can continue to keep the
> aforementioned patient alive by using more advanced interventions (i.e.
> PTCA, Surgery, etc.)  The medic also has an obligation to interact with
the
> local community to promote good health and safety.  They also (typically)
> get some extra perks... working outdoors, away from the confines of four
> walls and flourescent lights comes to mind.  Medics got their start in the
> ERs for a variety of reasons, but one of those aforementioned reasons is
"to
> promote a greater sense of teamwork, by furthering the paramedic's
knowledge
> of in-hospital treatment and operations." (From the P&P manual of a local
ER
> that uses medics in the ER.)  Medics get to do medical care, treatment,
and
> interventions.  They also get to do social service work, traffic control,
> hazardous material response, public relations, and a host of other duties.
>
> Nurses have a job:  They provide and assist in the provision of medical
care
> to patients long enough to get the aforementioned (that's the word of the
> day, folks...) patient to people who can continue to promote the
> aforementioned patients' health with other means (i.e. discharge, rehab,
> etc.)  The nurse has an obligation to promote health and safety in the
> community.  They also get some extra perks:  They (typically) get some
extra
> perks: warm, dry environments, extra assistance close at hand, greater
> career options.  Nurses got involved in pre-hospital care early (wartime
> ops) but seemed to phase out a bit when paramedics were introduced.  They
> have since made a resurgence in prehospital care, for a variety of
> reasons... one of which is "to promote a greater sense of teamwork, by
> furthering the nurse's knowledge of pre-hospital treatment and
operations."
> (from the P&P manual of a critical care ground transport service in
> Georgia.)
>
> The ultimate goal of each profession is the same:  Help people when they
> need it.
>
> Funny, though... Police officers have the same goal.  So do firefighters.
> So do US Military Soldiers (God Bless these folks, eh?)  So do
> waiters/waitresses.  So do wilderness rescue teams.
>
> Hey!  I've an incredible idea... let's compare medics to Army grunts, and
> nurses to Wilderness Rescue Specialists!  After all, we're all in it for
the
> same reason, right?  They help, we help, everyone helps.  I've been a
> bartender, Mexican cook, EMT, Paramedic, Flight Medic, and have fairly
> exhaustive knowledge about rope rescue systems... I get the biggest piece
of
> cake, right?
>
> OK, OK... I got a little sarcastic there.  The point, though, is that
while
> SOME skills may overlap both the nursing and paramedical profession, they
> are NOT the same job.  Never have been.  Never will be.  Never SHOULD be.
>
> So why do they conflict and compliment each other so well, you ask?
> Actually, I'm glad you asked.  The point is just that... Take a solid
medic
> and a sharp nurse, drop the egos and attitudes, and you've just created
the
> strongest team of medical providers possible (*when you factor in the
cost,
> prohibitive factors, logistic issues, etc.*)  Damn little that team can't
> handle in the immediate setting.  The complimentary nature of such a team
is
> awesome, if it is approached correctly by ALL parties.  The conflict will
be
> inevitable, but if used for constructive criticism, it can improve each
> person, and hence the team.
>
> Next time you medics think (or mumble to your partner under your breath)
> "Those nurses have no idea what we go through," ask thyself this: Do you
> really understand what THEY go thru?  Nurses, the same applies to you.
One
> of the charge nurses at Atlanta's Level I ER rode a shift on the ambulance
> Friday night.  She got to see a whole new world... one she hadn't
> appreciated.  In turn, I gotta spend a shift in the ER... I've no doubt
I'll
> be as equally enlightened.
>
> They're different jobs, folks.  Get on with your lives, and let's end this
> stupid argument.
>
> ------------
> JRB
>
> Jeff Brosius,
> Ground Paramedic, Flight Paramedic, Certified Athletic Trainer, AMGA
Guide,
> Ambulance Driver, Cot Jockey, and General Trouble Maker, etc.
> Atlanta, GA
> www.prehospitalperspective.com
> brosius@prehospitalperspective.com
> "The essence of true friendship is to make allowances for another's little
> lapses."
> -- David Storey
>
>
>
>
>
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