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Today's Topics: 1. Re:List Behavior _WAS_The MRL PIC Multi-Parameter Monitor (Manuel M. Torres, Jr.) 2. twin vs. single (tammye erdmann) 3. Re:twin vs. single (tom@tomwaters.net) 4. transport incubators (Bill Witmer) 5. MERGINET.News! Early November Issue Online! (Richard Bilger) 6. Re:twin vs. single (StanK001@aol.com) 7. Re:List Behavior _WAS_The MRL PIC Multi-Parameter Monitor (michele moore) 8. Re:Helipad Security Meeting CAMTS Standards (EFrazer@aol.com) 9. Re:Helipad Security Meeting CAMTS Standards (EFrazer@aol.com) 10. RE:twin vs. single (Dan Crowe) 11. Re:twin vs. single (R. Gregor) 12. Re:Zoll M series monitor (Ken Lawson-Williams) 13. Re:List Etiquette_WAS_ List behavior (Manuel M. Torres, Jr.) 14. Re:List Etiquette_WAS_ List behavior (Michele Moore) 15. Re:List Etiquette_WAS_ List behavior (Manuel M. Torres, Jr.) 16. Re:Zoll M series monitor (Barbara Dunham) 17. Re:List Etiquette_WAS_ List behavior (Michele Moore) 18. Re:Zoll M series monitor (Michele Moore) 19. Re:twin vs. single (Ken Lawson-Williams) 20. RE:twin vs. single (Ken Lawson-Williams) 21. Re:Zoll M series monitor (Ken Lawson-Williams)
- From: "Manuel M. Torres, Jr." <mtorres@telerama.com>
- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:37:26 -0500
I agree with everything that you said....
Now, I don't think your post was directed at me, but I couldn't help but wonder, so just to be sure; were you implying that my post was innaproriate? If so, exactly what did I say that you think I should have left out?
I was just trying to relate what I felt were relevant experiences to the topic at hand.
The last thing that I want is to be viewed as unprofessional by my colleauges in the air-medical community.
Thanks.
-Allan Bulkley
- From: tammye erdmann <scrappyfltnurse@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:07:46 -0800 (PST)
Looking for feed back from flight teams that are operating single engines and considering going to twins... What is the motivation?
Also, programs operatins twin engines and considering going to singles....What is the motivation?
Are Twin engines safer?
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- From: tom@tomwaters.net
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 00:24:34 -0800 (PST)
Tammye- If you can, be a little more specific. Rotor or Fixed Wing? There are many singles and twins in EMS operation with Rotor, only 1 common FW single in the US, the Pilatus. There is obviously an increased safety factor with a twin engine rotor, and there is a definate advantage to being in the Single Engine Pilatus for speed, and economy. What specific info are you looking at? Tom Waters Wyoming Life Flight tammye erdmann wrote: Looking for feed back from flight teams that are operating single engines and considering going to twins... What is the motivation? Also, programs operatins twin engines and considering going to singles....What is the motivation? Are Twin engines safer? Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
- From: Bill Witmer <billemtp2000@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:35:16 -0800 (PST)
For those who do neonate transports, what are the disadvantage and advantages to the many different isolettes, I happen to like the Air Shields TI 500 but was wondering what other flight crews opinions are.( likes and dislikes) Bill Witmer __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
- From: "Richard Bilger" <rbilger@merginet.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 07:26:59 -0600
We're pleased to bring you the latest additions to MERGINET.News (November 2002 Vol. 7, No. 11). You can view this issue online at: http://www.MERGINET.com/emsnewstocs/current.shtml/ ***************************************************************** >From the Editors ***************************************************************** The first of our November editorial additions to MERGINET.com is now on line. Please check your “worldwide website for emergency responders” to see what’s up. Will YOU be ready when that bizarre, offbeat call comes in? See what Jeff Robinson says about this “In His Own Words” in an essay titled “Epiphany Redux: A Moment with Samuel.” In Education Station, learn what NSAIDs can do for (and to) you. Both of these articles also appear in print, in our electronic/print collaboration program, the former in “EMS Magazine” and the latter in “NAEMT News.” We continue the conversation about agricultural emergencies that was begun during September’s Farm Safety and Health Week with a profile of the long-standing national standard, the FARMEDIC program, by Tonya Schafer. And get the human touch with a report from Paramedics For Children, where our Honduran correspondents left their morning coffee to find... twins! Project TraNSFER introduces the acronym of “Transmitting Information for a Network of Smarter, Faster, Emergency Response.” It’s all about figuring out how to most effectively use 21st century technologies -- a very exciting new initiative! Vic & Vern are back after rockin’ and rollin’ in the exhibit hall at EMS Expo in Nashville, Tennessee. Now they’re peddling bobble-head dolls... We have reviews from Mike Taigman (“If I Live To Be 100") and Dick Clinchy (the SurgeX oxygen valve). And Tom Scott is back with more sage advice about ambulance subscription programs. MERGINET’s global community remains a fascinating phenomenon -- this month a reader in Kosovo sent us an email that was in the local language. Emergency caregivers have a friend in every town, as JEMS co-founder Keith Griffiths said. We’re always happy to hear from our readers (preferably in English!) wherever they are. We reply to everyone who writes. Send email to publisher Richard Bilger at Rbilger@Merginet.com or to Kate at Editor@Merginet.com. Welcome to November 2002! 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- From: StanK001@aol.com
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:10:10 EST
In a message dated 11/5/02 3:07:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, scrappyfltnurse@yahoo.com writes:
Looking for feed back from flight teams that are operating single engines and considering going to twins... What is the motivation?Also, programs operating twin engines and considering going to singles....What is the motivation?
Twins are safer in the respect that they have system redundancy. For the most part each engine independently can operate the aircraft systems. You have options in the event of a single engine failure that do not exist with a single. They tend to be larger and faster. You can fly IFR in them and they have a MEL (minimum equipment list) that allows you to operate the aircraft with certain known deficiencies which will allow you to stay in service in the event of a mechanical malfunction.
The motivation is that they have a lower purchase price and lower operating costs.
Are Twin engines safer?
Yes, if you factor in all of the variables, twins are safer. This does not imply that singles are unsafe, just that there is a definite peace of mind from a pilots perspective. Turbine engine are extremely reliable so the chances of an engine failure is remote. The likelihood therefore is even more remote to have a dual engine failure. In order to choose a helicopter a program has to evaluate their operating profile (operating altitude, weather, operating distances, equipment weight) and their budget. It boils down to a big financial/operational compromise.
Just my opinion,
Stan Kocol
Toledo Life Flight
Safety Officer
- From: michele moore <michele@bendcable.com>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:31:56 -0700
I completely disagree. I would like to hear about vendor support. Rude behavior is Rude. Honest evaluation, Can be professional. I would like to hear it all. If I have to protect myself to more than milktoast, thats how it is. Long memories being what they are and all. Michele Moore
- From: EFrazer@aol.com
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:51:11 EST
<PRE>Direct visual
"Direct visual monitoring" is given as an example in the standards - it is not required - please read standard 14.01.09 on page 50 - Eileen Frazer, Executive Director of CAMTS
- From: EFrazer@aol.com
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 09:53:09 EST
- From: "Dan Crowe" <danc@aircoastal.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:18:37 -0500
I think this single vs twin debate will go on forever. A good source of information on this is Robert Breilings annual accident review. I have a copy of 2000 turbine helicopter review. Of course you can pick through it and somewhat make the stats say what you want. It breaks out between aircraft, types of operations etc. Fleet wide however over many periods the single is shown to have less fatal accidents per 100,000 hrs than the twin. For example the period of 1996 thru 2000 single turbine helicopter was .69 and twin was .79. Interestingly In both single and twins the pilot/crew account for more than %50 of the probable cause of accidents. Also In Twin engine turbine Airplanes a second pilot lowered the accident rate by almost %50. I personaly feel safe flying any well maintained aircraft that I have had the proper training and experience in. I think the motivation for any aircraft choice should be its capabilities vs cost. Usually more capabilites such as payload, range cabin size puts you into larger twin engine aircraft. Perhaps when we get that larger more cabable aircraft we could consider adding a second pilot for safety as being more important than the second engine? Dan Crowe Aircoastal Helicopters -----Original Message----- From: tammye erdmann [mailto:scrappyfltnurse@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:08 AM To: flightmed@flightweb.com Subject: twin vs. single Looking for feed back from flight teams that are operating single engines and considering going to twins... What is the motivation? Also, programs operatins twin engines and considering going to singles....What is the motivation? Are Twin engines safer? _____ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs <http://rd.yahoo.com/careers/mailsig/*http://www.hotjobs.com> - Search new jobs daily now
- From: "R. Gregor" <gregor@cmail.cz>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:57:54 +0100
Here, in Europe the problem seems to be solved now. According to JAA and it Regulations (JAR - OPS 3) - since 1.1. 2005 there will not be possible to use for HEMS operations any other helicopter, than CLASS I, A (Twin, capable to go on lift up, hovering, landing or flying after one engine failure) over the congested areas and hostile environment. That´s why all HEMS providers, operating in such areas (with base heliports in large cities, etc.), are replacing their singles or twins (other than Class IA with CLASS 1 A twins). Our helicopter provider in preparing to replace our AS 355 F2 (Twin Squirrel, but not Class IA) in these days with new EC 135. More on www.jaa.nl Fly Safe! Roman Gregor, MD. Director Territorial Rescue Centre Ostrava Czech Republic
- From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:43:33 -0800 (PST)
Where did you get the hooks from? Cost? Fly Safe. Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. --- michele moore <michele@bendcable.com> wrote: >Rick we have been very happy with the size and general ease of use. > >We have 4 in use here. > >We purchased some hooks thank make it possible to hang the unit on the >side of the bed which helps alot...before it was on the patients legs or >had to be carried. If you are taking alot of BP the batt seem to fail >every 20mins to 1/2 hr. >However the LP 10 used batts and we didnt have the option of plugging >it in. We Keep the unit plugged in for flight then use batts on scene >or while going into the Hosp. > >The company has been good to send us a loaner if one needs work. We >sent some off to be upgraded to BP and ETCO2 and they provided a loaner >before the units left the base. On the ships that we use the Zoll with >all the bells and whistles we also have a Propac. We have 2 patient >Capability. It seems like the Zoll is a little weak in the Ped/neonate >end of the Patient spectrum and I wouldn't trust it to take BP on a 1mo >old. I mention this if you are planning to have only one monitor on >board. > >michele moore > > >_______________________________________________ >Flightmed mailing list >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed
- From: "Manuel M. Torres, Jr." <mtorres@telerama.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:26:00 -0500
Michele,I thought that was my point. I agree that an honest evaluation of equipment and vendor support are appropriate topics for list discussion and in my opinion can and should be presented on Flightmed in a factual and professional manner. What do you completely disagree with? Are you saying that you don't mind rude behavior and think that a "warts and all' free-flowing exchange of whatever comes to mind is best? Fair enough...my computer has a delete key and I use it often. However, I doubt that the vendors that serve our industry will take us seriously if the best we can muster for a product description to a colleague seeking information is that something is a "piece of shit".It is a certainty that such an "endorsement" gets a vendor's attention but not in way that will improve the tools we need to practice our chosen profession. Do you think that lowering the discussion to such a level works in a productive way or does it make us appear childish and immature? Regardless of how important we think we are, Air-Medical transport is a very small segment of the health care industry. If we turn off the manufacturers who can make more money serving larger markets such as ground EMS and hospitals, we will end up working with and trying to adapt equipment designed for use in those arenas to our needs. It will not be worth their time, money, and effort to develop or improve the equipment that we use by making it smaller, lighter or more user-friendly as the financial return is simply too small to focus on our industry's specialized needs.I do not wish to try making an HP Merlin monitor work off the aircraft inverter and doubt that you would want to try loading a Bennett 7200 into an EC135. While those are obviously absurd examples, I think everybody understands what I mean. While vendors should be held accountable for poor service it is easier to work with them than to be adversarial...they already know that the word spreads quickly throughout the air-medical community when there are problems with customer support. Bad news always travels faster than good...Flightmed list postings are archived and just about everyone has signed off with their program affiliation at one time or another. We represent our programs when we come here whether we include it on our signature block or not and I'll repeat what I've said before; If we keep our communications on this list professional in tone and presentation, there should be nobody that feels a need to omit or hide their names and organizational affiliation. I am proud of my flight program and know that in participating on Flightmed that I have not said anything here to discredit or place it in a bad light. It is just as important that our community be viewed positively by all that come in contact with it in any situation or in any media outlet. We need to be ever-mindful that this is a public list. I would hate to see Flightmed become a moderated or closed forum but I've seen it happen before on other listservers when things got out of hand.This is pretty much all that I have to say on this topic. And, just in case anybody was wondering, I speak for myself and have no interest or personal stake in MRL and we do not use their monitor at STAT MedEvac. After a long evaluation trial and comparison testing of the Zoll, MRL, and Physio-Control offerings, we found that the LifePak 12 best suited our program's needs.Manuel Torres RN, BSNSite CoordinatorSTAT MedEvac 4Pittsburgh, PA----- Original Message -----I completely disagree. I would like to hear about vendor support.
Rude behavior is Rude. Honest evaluation, Can be professional. I
would like to hear it all. If I have to protect myself to more than
milktoast, thats how it is. Long memories being what they are and all.
Michele Moore
- From: "Michele Moore" <mmoore@scmc.org>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:06:23 -0800
>>> mtorres@telerama.com 11/05/02 11:26AM >>>Michele,I thought that was my point. I agree that an honest evaluation of equipment and vendor support are appropriate topics for list discussion and in my opinion can and should be presented on Flightmed in a factual and professional manner. What do you completely disagree with? Are you saying that you don't mind rude behavior and think that a "warts and all' free-flowing exchange of whatever comes to mind is best? Fair enough...my computer has a delete key and I use it often. However, I doubt that the vendors that serve our industry will take us seriously if the best we can muster for a product description to a colleague seeking information is that something is a "piece of shit".It is a certainty that such an "endorsement" gets a vendor's attention but not in way that will improve the tools we need to practice our chosen profession. Do you think that lowering the discussion to such a level works in a productive way or does it make us appear childish and immature? Regardless of how important we think we are, Air-Medical transport is a very small segment of the health care industry. If we turn off the manufacturers who can make more money serving larger markets such as ground EMS and hospitals, we will end up working with and trying to adapt equipment designed for use in those arenas to our needs. It will not be worth their time, money, and effort to develop or improve the equipment that we use by making it smaller, lighter or more user-friendly as the financial return is simply too small to focus on our industry's specialized needs.I do not wish to try making an HP Merlin monitor work off the aircraft inverter and doubt that you would want to try loading a Bennett 7200 into an EC135. While those are obviously absurd examples, I think everybody understands what I mean. While vendors should be held accountable for poor service it is easier to work with them than to be adversarial...they already know that the word spreads quickly throughout the air-medical community when there are problems with customer support. Bad news always travels faster than good...Flightmed list postings are archived and just about everyone has signed off with their program affiliation at one time or another. We represent our programs when we come here whether we include it on our signature block or not and I'll repeat what I've said before; If we keep our communications on this list professional in tone and presentation, there should be nobody that feels a need to omit or hide their names and organizational affiliation. I am proud of my flight program and know that in participating on Flightmed that I have not said anything here to discredit or place it in a bad light. It is just as important that our community be viewed positively by all that come in contact with it in any situation or in any media outlet. We need to be ever-mindful that this is a public list. I would hate to see Flightmed become a moderated or closed forum but I've seen it happen before on other listservers when things got out of hand.This is pretty much all that I have to say on this topic. And, just in case anybody was wondering, I speak for myself and have no interest or personal stake in MRL and we do not use their monitor at STAT MedEvac. After a long evaluation trial and comparison testing of the Zoll, MRL, and Physio-Control offerings, we found that the LifePak 12 best suited our program's needs.Manuel Torres RN, BSNSite CoordinatorSTAT MedEvac 4Pittsburgh, PA----- Original Message -----I completely disagree. I would like to hear about vendor support.
Rude behavior is Rude. Honest evaluation, Can be professional. I
would like to hear it all. If I have to protect myself to more than
milktoast, thats how it is. Long memories being what they are and all.
Michele Moore
- From: "Manuel M. Torres, Jr." <mtorres@telerama.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:42:46 -0500
- From: "Barbara Dunham" <rotormed77@hotmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:37:08 -0600
Rick, My program just put a M series monitor into service. So far, we have just had minimal "issues" with it, mostly from the standpoint of user familiarity (sometimes the learning curve can be rather steep!) We fly a Sikorsky S76C+, so there really isn't that much of a vibration issue, and the EtCO2 works wonderfully! With some background, we had looked at many monitors, and finally went with the Zoll because of all the backup and good reports. Hope this helps! Barb Dunham Hillcrest AirEvac Tulsa, Oklahoma From: "Valentine, James R." <JRValent@mc.utmck.edu> Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com To: 'Flightweb Forum ' <flightmed@flightweb.com> Subject: Zoll M series monitor Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 16:56:06 -0500 To the programs that use the Zoll M series. Can you give me your opinions about this monitor, ie: performance, durability, functions and effected by vibration, etc. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rick Valentine, EMT-P Flight Paramedic U.T. Lifestar The University of Tennessee Medical Center at Knoxville. _______________________________________________ Flightmed mailing list To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed "Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure, lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south, but upward to the body, mind, and soul of man." - Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
- From: "Michele Moore" <mmoore@scmc.org>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:09:12 -0800
Manuel...we can agree. What a happy instance! m
>>> mtorres@telerama.com 11/05/02 01:42PM >>>
Michele,While I don't know you personally, I do know that you are a long time list contributor and I certainly am not jumping on your back. I agree that you can open yourself up to problems in the very ways that you have described and you are absolutely correct on that account. There is legal precedent for the very type of defamation lawsuit related to what a person said or posted on the Internet. I appreciate your sharing your personal experience here with us. Thank you...that's what Flightmed is for and I feel that it helps to make my original point even more clear.What happened to you is why my original posting on this subject stated the importance of back-channel communications. Occasionally, there are participants on the list that find it hard to restrain themselves and they think that they can write whatever they want about anyone or anything anonymously. I was reminding everyone that Flightmed is hardly a triple-encrypted secret email forum and that anyone can find out who we are and where we are from if they invest a little time. Leaving a person's name or their program affiliation off of their postings are hardly a shelter...everything on the Internet leaves a trail and you can be found! There are a few experts (I'm not one of them!) on this subject that are subscribers to this very list that can back my assertion.I may have misunderstood what you were saying about wanting to hear it all. By what you say below, that doesn't seem to be the case, at least on the public side and if you notice, I said nothing derogatory about any of the monitors that my program evaluated. It is true that ANY piece of equipment will have its good and bad points and we selected the one that best met our specific needs after an long trial period.Again, I have no bias towards or financial stake in any company and If someone out there thinks they have a case for slander, defamation, or libel in any of my list contributions, bring it on.... I speak for myself and I am nobody's fool...What I am saying is that if you can't say anything nice or neutral on a topic and you are without documented facts, you are ill-advised to say it on an open forum like Flightmed....Take it to the private side...Now I'm gonna see if I can fit that 7200 into the EC135....I have my hammer and a saw. I didn't have a long enough extension cord for the Merlin!Take care!Manuel Torres RN, BSNSite CoordinatorSTAT MedEvac 4Pittsburgh, PA----- Original Message -----From: Michele MooreSent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:06 PMSubject: Re: List Etiquette_WAS_ List behaviorManuelAny negative comment you make on this forum about any product can get you into a legal situation.I mean professionally stated, Did not work well for me, in sweet language etc.If you make a very nice statement, and include your program in your e-mail may find your supervisor with a vendor calling and threatening to sue, your program, hospital etc. because you said something negative, and because of that they might not get a sale. The damage would be any sales they lost.I have been a part of the flightmed discussion for quite a few years...My program is not a secret. Its just that sometimes you should leave off the program name, and clarify any statement as your opinion only. I have nothing but respect for the fine engineers who build our products and the companies that try to sell us our products. But they won't build what we need if we don't dream it or critique what we have."My opinion only"Michele Moore RRT EMT-PLead Flight RTEducation CoordinatorAir Life of Oregon
- From: "Michele Moore" <mmoore@scmc.org>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:33:50 -0800
Well now....I can't remember, Ill track down the vendor. Cost-seems like it was about 30$ m
>>> Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com 11/05/02 10:43AM >>>
Where did you get the hooks from? Cost?
Fly Safe.
Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
--- michele moore <michele@bendcable.com> wrote:
>Rick we have been very happy with the size and general ease of use.
>
>We have 4 in use here.
>
>We purchased some hooks thank make it possible to hang the unit on the
>side of the bed which helps alot...before it was on the patients legs or
>had to be carried. If you are taking alot of BP the batt seem to fail
>every 20mins to 1/2 hr.
>However the LP 10 used batts and we didnt have the option of plugging
>it in. We Keep the unit plugged in for flight then use batts on scene
>or while going into the Hosp.
>
>The company has been good to send us a loaner if one needs work. We
>sent some off to be upgraded to BP and ETCO2 and they provided a loaner
>before the units left the base. On the ships that we use the Zoll with
>all the bells and whistles we also have a Propac. We have 2 patient
>Capability. It seems like the Zoll is a little weak in the Ped/neonate
>end of the Patient spectrum and I wouldn't trust it to take BP on a 1mo
>old. I mention this if you are planning to have only one monitor on
>board.
>
>michele moore
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Flightmed mailing list
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- From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:22:15 -0800 (PST)
Depends on the availability of alternate landing sites. In our area, these are few and VERY far between, so twins are the only way to go for us... Fly Safe. Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. --- message from tammye erdmann <scrappyfltnurse@yahoo.com> attached:
- From: tammye erdmann <scrappyfltnurse@yahoo.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:07:46 -0800 (PST)
Looking for feed back from flight teams that are operating single engines and considering going to twins... What is the motivation?
Also, programs operatins twin engines and considering going to singles....What is the motivation?
Are Twin engines safer?
Do you Yahoo!?
HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
- From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:47:13 -0800 (PST)
Makes sense empirically - twins have higher pilot workload and are often flown in circumstances that singles are not. Fly Safe. Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. >Fleet wide however >over many periods the single is shown to have less fatal accidents per >100,000 hrs than the twin. For example the period of 1996 thru 2000 >single turbine helicopter was .69 and twin was .79. Interestingly In >both single and twins the pilot/crew account for more than %50 of the >probable cause of accidents. >Also In Twin engine turbine Airplanes a second pilot lowered the >accident rate by almost %50 >Perhaps when we >get that larger more cabable aircraft we could consider adding a second >pilot for safety as being more important than the second engine?
- From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:08:22 -0800 (PST)
RE: Hooks, Thanks We use the M series here and have had no complaints other than the short battery life when fully utilised and when in cold temperatures (ie: below -20). Having the power cord was a big plus for us on most flights as we can use aircraft power. In general no complaints. One picky point - the nylon extreme pack case that can be obtained needs redesign with respect to the front flap. The velcro stick-on strips designed to hold it in place are pretty much useless if the monitors are used a lot. We ended up making a couple of nylon straps that go from side-pin to side-pin at the base of the screen that buckle together in the middle to hold the flap in place at the bottom, and two loops at the top to retain it in place (extending back to the strap pins) and allow it to flip back begind the rear pouch when not in use. However, when doing a scene call with a 20 minute ride in the back of a pickup (open) each way from the airport and only 10 minutes or so in a heated mine shack, we have to hide the monoitor inside the Wiggy-bag near the feet, and keep the batteries inside our parkas (very uncomfortable - not to mention heavy...) or turn off all but ecg/spo2. Even with this batteries run out quite fast and have shorter lives overall. We generally run with 3 spare batteries which kind of makes the package heavy. Many of our sending facilities do not have 110v power in their ground transport units (most of which are not ambulances) so we can easily burn through all 4 during a typical trip with a backhaul. It REALLY becomes an issue however on Twin Otter scene calls to remote lakes and diamond exploration camps etc (with no aircraft 110v power inverter) that can last 4 to 5 hours each way with a cabin barely above freezing AT BEST and no heated facility at the destination. Perhaps Zoll could look at a 28-v or whatever DC adaptor that could be plugged into a cabin light socket?? (not really sure if even allowed or safe in a current draw perspective). We use PRN bush aircraft for this type of flight, and never know which of 6 Twin Otters will be available. One can only afford to buy so many batteries.... Fly Safe. Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. --- message from "Michele Moore" <mmoore@scmc.org> attached:
- From: "Michele Moore" <mmoore@scmc.org>
- Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:33:50 -0800
Well now....I can't remember, Ill track down the vendor. Cost-seems like it was about 30$ m
>>> Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com 11/05/02 10:43AM >>>
Where did you get the hooks from? Cost?
Fly Safe.
Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
--- michele moore <michele@bendcable.com> wrote:
>Rick we have been very happy with the size and general ease of use.
>
>We have 4 in use here.
>
>We purchased some hooks thank make it possible to hang the unit on the
>side of the bed which helps alot...before it was on the patients legs or
>had to be carried. If you are taking alot of BP the batt seem to fail
>every 20mins to 1/2 hr.
>However the LP 10 used batts and we didnt have the option of plugging
>it in. We Keep the unit plugged in for flight then use batts on scene
>or while going into the Hosp.
>
>The company has been good to send us a loaner if one needs work. We
>sent some off to be upgraded to BP and ETCO2 and they provided a loaner
>before the units left the base. On the ships that we use the Zoll with
>all the bells and whistles we also have a Propac. We have 2 patient
>Capability. It seems like the Zoll is a little weak in the Ped/neonate
>end of the Patient spectrum and I wouldn't trust it to take BP on a 1mo
>old. I mention this if you are planning to have only one monitor on
>board.
>
>michele moore
>
>
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