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prayer in the air
- From: "Rich Goddard RN, RRT" <rgoddard@chhi.org>
- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:23:57 -0500
Barb,
Every time the rotors or wheels turn for exmaple i say a prayer. I had a
very strong faith and have no doubts that every time Im out there God is
with me.
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Today's Topics:
1. RE:I-STAT (Carriere, Brian)
2. Scenario (Ken Lawson-Williams)
3. Re:Scenario (Sam Thurmond)
4. The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be warned!
(flightmedicmike@cox.net)
5. RE:The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be warned!
(David Summers)
6. Re:The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be warned!
(Jean Cragg)
7. Re:Scenario (mike)
8. RE:Posting Confusion (Michael Cox)
9. RE:i-STAT (Pickett, Debra L.)
10. Turn-Key operations (mvojtko@juno.com)
11. Re:Scenario (Barbara Dunham)
12. RE:Scenario (Dr. John L. Meade)
13. Re:Re:RE: Pic Of Zoll Mount (Mike Scott)
14. Re:Scenario (Lisa Heinz)
15. Re:Scenario (Linda J. Wise)
16. (no subject) (Bob Johnson)
17. RE:(no subject) (sgram0529@cs.com)
18. Re:(no subject) (Ronald Bolen)
19. Re:(no subject) (Tom Waters)
20. RE:Scenario (Slemp, Andrew A.)
21. Re:(no subject) (Ken Lawson-Williams)
22. Re:Scenario (Deb Milliner)
23. Re: (no subject) (Deb Milliner)
24. Re:Scenario (susan nittinger)
25. (no subject) (Ted6016@aol.com)
26. Re: (no subject) (Jeremy Hawk)
27. Trauma team activation (Randy L'Heureux)
28. Re:(no subject) (Robert Humphreys)
29. Re:Trauma team activation (Ted6016@aol.com)
30. Re:(no subject) (Barbara Dunham)
31. Re:Scenario (Jeff Brosius)
32. Re:Trauma team activation (Jeff Brosius)
33. Re:Hiring Logistics of Flight Programs (Michael Getz)
34. Re:Trauma team activation (DavidT8525@aol.com)
35. Re:(no subject) (KReninger@aol.com)
36. RE:(no subject) (Terry Foutch)
37. RE:(no subject) (David Pilkenton)
38. Re:Hiring Logistics of Flight Programs (mikeshuken@mail.value.net)
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Message: 1
From: "Carriere, Brian" <bcarrier@provak.org>
To: "'flightmed@flightweb.com'" <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: I-STAT
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:43:29 -0900
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
We use them extensively for longer flights. Limited utility for scene calls.
We have problems with temperature extremes.
-----Original Message-----
From: Campbell, Don [mailto:CampbeDK@sutterhealth.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:36 PM
To: Flightmed (E-mail)
Subject: i-STAT
I know several providers are using the i-STAT at hospitals/clinics for
IFT's. Anyone using the i-STAT during actual transport on scene flights?
Any problems/challenges with this device? Is it easy to use? Our average
flight time is < 20 minutes. It's a little hard to imagine doing this at
night in a Twin Star w/ light restrictions.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks - DC
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:08:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
To: "flightweb editor" <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Cc: "Patrick Lamoureux" <chillymedic@hotmail.com>
Subject: Scenario
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
More information - this time evacuation related
+++++
It is now a further two days on. A call back to your company has come up
blank. You are about twenty miles from the neighbouring state which is
undergoing a break down in peace talks at the moment. Rebel troops are known
to be armed with ground to air infantry portable missiles and airspace is
now no-fly for civilian aircraft.
They can send you a team by road, two days, but will not allow transport
from site until after expert advice has been given. A doctor from the World
Health Organisation and can also bring extra supplies to base. An adivosry
has been received that all precautions must be used and patients will be
under full isolation until otherwise directed.
Patient 1: Fever, visible rash, constant headache, has passed blood in
faeces, blood shot eyes, vomiting, diarhhea and GI pain
Patient 2: Fever, has not left bed in the last day, totally lethargic, has
had two tonic-clonic seizures, eyes are red, continuous epistaxis
Patient 3: Fever, complains of itching, headache continues, diarhhea and
occassional vomitting.
Patient 4: Mild fever, rash is disappearing, nausea.
With the arrival of the man from the WHO, you have the opportunity for
further supplies and equipment. What would you like?
Over to you. Good luck,
+++++
This (fortunately) is something we do not have to deal with over here yet. I
do not envy the author of this scenario if this has any connection to their
workplace environment!!
Fly Safe.
Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it
holds the universe together.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:30:52 -0500
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
From: Sam Thurmond <thurmond@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Scenario
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Possibly dengue fever or dengue hemorrhagic fever - if it is then fluid
replacement therapy and acetaminophen (no aspirin).
Could also be Ebola, Marberg, typhoid or a malarial fever.
In any case, don't share their water glasses!!
At 01:08 PM 10/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>More information - this time evacuation related
>
>+++++
>
>It is now a further two days on. A call back to your company has come up
>blank. You are about twenty miles from the neighbouring state which is
>undergoing a break down in peace talks at the moment. Rebel troops are
>known to be armed with ground to air infantry portable missiles
>and airspace is now no-fly for civilian aircraft.
>
>They can send you a team by road, two days, but will not allow transport
>from site until after expert advice has been given. A doctor from the
>World Health Organisation and can also bring extra supplies to base. An
>adivosry has been received that all precautions must be used and patients
>will be under full isolation until otherwise directed.
>
>Patient 1: Fever, visible rash, constant headache, has passed blood in
>faeces, blood shot eyes, vomiting, diarhhea and GI pain
>Patient 2: Fever, has not left bed in the last day, totally lethargic, has
>had two tonic-clonic seizures, eyes are red, continuous epistaxis
>Patient 3: Fever, complains of itching, headache continues, diarhhea and
>occassional vomitting.
>Patient 4: Mild fever, rash is disappearing, nausea.
>
>With the arrival of the man from the WHO, you have the opportunity for
>further supplies and equipment. What would you like?
>
>Over to you. Good luck,
>
>+++++
>
>This (fortunately) is something we do not have to deal with over here yet.
>I do not envy the author of this scenario if this has any connection to
>their workplace environment!!
>
>Fly Safe.
>Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
>
>Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it
>holds the universe together.
>
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Message: 4
From: <flightmedicmike@cox.net>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be warned!
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:48:24 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
The MRL Pic is the biggest piece of shit ever created to monitor a patient.
It looks good, and its cheap, but the modules independantly fail, there was
no invasive line software to run the 2 ports on the unit for three years, I
am not sure if they ever finished that or not. The batteries last about 30
minutes with a cycling pressure, sometimes less. The support
respresentatives know little if anything about the product they sell, and
the overall support is terrible. I would highly recommend you reconsider
the Zoll CCT M-series or the Physio Lifepack 12.
Both more reputable companies that obviously know what they are doing.
Michael Getz, NREMT-P
Flight Paramedic
Med Air One
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Message: 5
From: "David Summers" <copterrn@bellsouth.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be
warned!
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:06:16 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
flightmedicmike@cox.net
Subject: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be
warned!
The MRL Pic is the biggest piece of s&^Q#% ever created to monitor a
patient.
Michael Getz, NREMT-P
_______________________________________________
Michael,
Lets keep this list rated "G". Tact and diplomacy will get you more
respect.
Obviously, you have had negative experiences with the MRL Pic. Your opinion
is heard. Now perhaps the manufacturer will contact you for some product
improvement consultations!
Play Safe
David Summers RN, etc.
Jupiter FL
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Message: 6
From: "Jean Cragg" <Jean.Cragg@ntlworld.com>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be
warned!
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:56:02 -0000
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
David,
Well said, thank you.
Jean SR Para
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Summers" <copterrn@bellsouth.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be
warned!
>
>
> flightmedicmike@cox.net
> Subject: The MRL Pic is Garbage - those looking for new monitors be
> warned!
>
>
> The MRL Pic is the biggest piece of s&^Q#% ever created to monitor a
> patient.
>
> Michael Getz, NREMT-P
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Michael,
>
> Lets keep this list rated "G". Tact and diplomacy will get you more
> respect.
> Obviously, you have had negative experiences with the MRL Pic. Your
opinion
> is heard. Now perhaps the manufacturer will contact you for some product
> improvement consultations!
>
> Play Safe
> David Summers RN, etc.
> Jupiter FL
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:03:48 -0800
From: mike <mikey49@concentric.net>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Scenario
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
>From day one (first posting) these patients warranted full isolation
precautions. Anyone not already
exposed should stay away unless absolutely essential for their care.
Transport would be inappropriate due
to potential spread of the disease to the crew and other contacts along the
way. Treat these patients and
their contacts at the location they are at. Items requested from WHO.1. IV
solutions, colloids and
associated supplies. 2. Gowns, gloves, masks basic sanitation supplies. 3.
Chlorine bleach. 4. A good
,preferably secure communication system with a competent health care
facility ,if it doesn't already
exist. 5. perhaps an i-stat. 6. Blood specimen containers. Viral and
bacterial culture specimen supplies.
The problem here is not having a good diagnosis. Send out blood work
(ELISA) and cultures as best you
can. Treat symptomatically until DX is made. Assume the worst (one of the
hemorragic fevers) and post
quarantine signs to keep others out.
Prayer would be useful too.
Thanks for making us think about this type of problem.
Mike Earnheart, R.N.
Sam Thurmond wrote:
> Possibly dengue fever or dengue hemorrhagic fever - if it is then fluid
> replacement therapy and acetaminophen (no aspirin).
>
> Could also be Ebola, Marberg, typhoid or a malarial fever.
>
> In any case, don't share their water glasses!!
>
> At 01:08 PM 10/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >More information - this time evacuation related
> >
> >+++++
> >
> >It is now a further two days on. A call back to your company has come up
> >blank. You are about twenty miles from the neighbouring state which is
> >undergoing a break down in peace talks at the moment. Rebel troops are
> >known to be armed with ground to air infantry portable missiles
> >and airspace is now no-fly for civilian aircraft.
> >
> >They can send you a team by road, two days, but will not allow transport
> >from site until after expert advice has been given. A doctor from the
> >World Health Organisation and can also bring extra supplies to base. An
> >adivosry has been received that all precautions must be used and patients
> >will be under full isolation until otherwise directed.
> >
> >Patient 1: Fever, visible rash, constant headache, has passed blood in
> >faeces, blood shot eyes, vomiting, diarhhea and GI pain
> >Patient 2: Fever, has not left bed in the last day, totally lethargic,
has
> >had two tonic-clonic seizures, eyes are red, continuous epistaxis
> >Patient 3: Fever, complains of itching, headache continues, diarhhea and
> >occassional vomitting.
> >Patient 4: Mild fever, rash is disappearing, nausea.
> >
> >With the arrival of the man from the WHO, you have the opportunity for
> >further supplies and equipment. What would you like?
> >
> >Over to you. Good luck,
> >
> >+++++
> >
> >This (fortunately) is something we do not have to deal with over here
yet.
> >I do not envy the author of this scenario if this has any connection to
> >their workplace environment!!
> >
> >Fly Safe.
> >Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
> >
> >Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it
> >holds the universe together.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Flightmed mailing list
> >To unsubscribe or change your email address, go to
> >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flightmed
>
> Sam Thurmond
> thurmond@cfl.rr.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:52:08 -0500
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
From: Michael Cox <michael@seaox.com>
Subject: RE: Posting Confusion
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
After several backchanneled inquiries some clarification is in order:
No "flightmedicmike@cox.net" IS NOT Mike Cox.
Thanks,
Michael Cox
michael@seaox.com
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Message: 9
From: "Pickett, Debra L." <DPickett@mc.utmck.edu>
To: "'flightmed@flightweb.com'" <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: i-STAT
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:19:00 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
We use it on scene and IF flights. The only problems that we have had is
the machine is very temperature sensitive. It can not be left on the
aircraft during non transport times.
Debbie Pickett, R.N., C.E.N.
Chief Flight Nurse
UT Lifestar Aeromedical Services
Phone: (865) 544-8992
Fax: (865) 544-8868
E-mail: dpickett@mc.utmck.edu
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:38:55 GMT
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Cc:
Subject: Turn-Key operations
From: mvojtko@juno.com
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Can you folks out there in cyberspace help?
Our program is in the process of negotiating a turn-key
takeover of our program with our aircraft vendor in an
attempt to head off an administrative proposal that will
be our program's end (and force the entire flight staff
to look elsewhere, lose tenure, be absorbed into the
system, etc.). Essentially, our hospital wants to relieve
themselves of the financial responsibility of our current
aircraft and it's maintenance.
Here's some of the info we need:
1. Where did you start? We have been in dialogue with
our current vendor and they are gonna bite on the deal.
Perhaps others in the group will have that little bit of
information that we haven't considered.
2. Did you turn the program over completely, or did
you maintain medical control and turn over the aircraft
operations only? If you maintained medical control and
medical staff, what problems did you encounter and how
did you go about establishing medical control with your
vendor?
3. What problems did you encounter? Feel free to elaborate.
4. How did you prepare your presentation to administration?
Again, we're looking for those missing puzzle pieces.
Any and all information is greatly appreciated.
Mark
Mark Vojtko,RN,BSN,CCRN
Inova AirCare
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Message: 11
From: "Barbara Dunham" <rotormed77@hotmail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Scenario
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 20:57:04 -0600
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Okay, Here's a question for the group - how many of you have prayed during
treatment/transport of critically ill/injured patients? And if you have, do
you credit the prayer with making "the difference"?
(This is in reference to the comment that "Prayer would be useful too".)
Thanks in advance to any replies! Feel free to answer privately, if you
prefer.
Barb Dunham
rotormed77@hotmail.com
"Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure,
lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south, but
upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
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Message: 12
From: "Dr. John L. Meade" <jmeade@statdoc.com>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: Scenario
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:05:44 -0600
Organization: Emerald Healthcare Group
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Barbara,
Interesting question!!
I am often struck by the fact that I can sometimes pull some odd trick
out of my hat, or perform some difficult procedure with apparent ease,
in the midst of a crisis. I have no illusions that it is because I am
far superior to every other doctor on Earth. I know that I often have
some help from God. God obviously works through us to save lives, and a
prayer for guidance now and again is not wrong.
In my opinion.
JM
John L. Meade, MD, FACEP
Emergency Medicine Specialist
Emerald Healthcare Group, P.A.
http://www.statdoc.com/
Try not. Do! Or do not. There is no try!--Yoda, Return of the Jedi.
-----Original Message-----
From: flightmed-admin@flightweb.com
[mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Dunham
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 20:57
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Scenario
Okay, Here's a question for the group - how many of you have prayed
during
treatment/transport of critically ill/injured patients? And if you
have, do
you credit the prayer with making "the difference"?
(This is in reference to the comment that "Prayer would be useful too".)
Thanks in advance to any replies! Feel free to answer privately, if you
prefer.
Barb Dunham
rotormed77@hotmail.com
"Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure,
lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south,
but
upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 00:29:36 -0600
From: Mike Scott <smikesct@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Re:RE: Pic Of Zoll Mount
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Hey Ron,
FYI: Metro Aviation is the company that does our EMS conversion man.
Mike Scott, RN
CFN MAF
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 06:41:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Lisa Heinz <flytrn117@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scenario
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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yes, i have and i am not ashamed of giving credit where it is due!
Barbara Dunham <rotormed77@hotmail.com> wrote:Okay, Here's a question for
the group - how many of you have prayed during
treatment/transport of critically ill/injured patients? And if you have, do
you credit the prayer with making "the difference"?
(This is in reference to the comment that "Prayer would be useful too".)
Thanks in advance to any replies! Feel free to answer privately, if you
prefer.
Barb Dunham
rotormed77@hotmail.com
"Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure,
lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south, but
upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
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<P>yes, i have and i am not ashamed of giving credit where it is due!
<P> <B><I>Barbara Dunham <rotormed77@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:
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prayed during <BR>treatment/transport of critically ill/injured patients?
And if you have, do <BR>you credit the prayer with making "the
difference"?<BR><BR>(This is in reference to the comment that "Prayer would
be useful too".) <BR>Thanks in advance to any replies! Feel free to answer
privately, if you <BR>prefer.<BR><BR>Barb
Dunham<BR>rotormed77@hotmail.com<BR><BR><BR>"Remote for detachment, narrow
for chosen company, winding for leisure, <BR>lonely for contemplation, the
Trail leads not merely north and south, but <BR>upward to the body, mind,
and soul of man."<BR>- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 12:12:39 -0500
From: "Linda J. Wise" <lwise@mail.mcg.edu>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: Scenario
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
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Message: 16
From: "Bob Johnson" <scoobymedic@hotmail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:12:27 -0500
Subject: (no subject)
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
A ? for the group, Does any flight services have any rules about spouses (
Nurse/medic )flying together as full time partners.
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:48:42 -0500
From: sgram0529@cs.com
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: RE: (no subject)
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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Message: 18
From: "Ronald Bolen" <bolen001@mc.duke.edu>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:07:35 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
You are not allowed to be on the same crew, but no problems working at the
same base.
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Message: 19
From: "Tom Waters" <tom@tomwaters.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:03:18 -0700
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Here at Wyoming Life Flight, we have 3 sets of husband/wife. 2 are
both-medic and 1 is medic/nurse. As with most, no written policies exist,
but couples do not fly or go ground for that matter, together. It is usually
only at shift change that the 2 medic teams are ever even seen together, as
there is kid-turnover and one parent goes home. I have worked several
places air and ground, and whether written or un, couples do not
supervise/work toghether, this includes when the pilot may be involved with
a medical crew member. That happens too, occasionally too.
Good weekend all...
Tom Waters
----- Original Message -----
From: <sgram0529@cs.com>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: (no subject)
> Our company has an unwritten policy that doesn't allow family members to
fly on the same aircraft together due to the fact that if there were a crash
(god forbid), there would be 2 losses in the same family instead of one and
if there were children involved........imagine the tragedy. My husband and I
both are flight nurses for the same company and due to scheduling issues our
crews may fly nurse/nurse occasionally. However, we do not work together on
the same aircraft. We, along with management, both agree that it is
definantly in our best interest not to fly together nor sign narcotics
together. Most of these "guidelines" have been initiated by my husband and I
due to the fact that it is not a common situation and we want to protect
ourselves. You could see how a jury, or even a supervisor, could look at a
husband/wife team who had a bad outcome with a patient and wonder if there
were any issues that were not revealed because they were trying to protect
each other. I can't say that I wouldn't think the same way in the their
shoes. As I said before, this is not a written policy for our company, but I
would definantly recommend that you not fly together for liability reasons.
Fly safely!
>
> Serena Gramling
> Native Air
>
>
>
> "Bob Johnson" <scoobymedic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >A ? for the group, Does any flight services have any rules about spouses
(
> >Nurse/medic )flying together as full time partners.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 20
From: "Slemp, Andrew A." <ASlemp@mc.utmck.edu>
To: "'flightmed@flightweb.com'" <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: Scenario
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:01:40 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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I second Lisa's comment.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Heinz [mailto:flytrn117@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:42 AM
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Scenario
yes, i have and i am not ashamed of giving credit where it is due!
Barbara Dunham <rotormed77@hotmail.com> wrote:
Okay, Here's a question for the group - how many of you have prayed during
treatment/transport of critically ill/injured patients? And if you have, do
you credit the prayer with making "the difference"?
(This is in reference to the comment that "Prayer would be useful too".)
Thanks in advance to any replies! Feel free to answer privately, if you
prefer.
Barb Dunham
rotormed77@hotmail.com
"Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure,
lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south, but
upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
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<P>yes, i have and i am not ashamed of giving credit where it is due! =
<P> <B><I>Barbara Dunham <rotormed77@hotmail.com></I></B> =
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you have,=20
do <BR>you credit the prayer with making "the =
difference"?<BR><BR>(This is=20
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<BR>Thanks=20
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:16:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
None here, but at last program were several couples - two married. No rules=
, but the married couple worked adjacent shifts (d d n n x12) so as a famil=
y they still had 2 days off, and could cover childcare.=20
Young crew, so many couples forming/reforming etc amongst ground/air/flight=
/dispatch crews. No problems occured, but dispatcher once sent husband into=
axe-murder scene ahead of police. Confusion over status of patient and sce=
ne, apparently...
Fly Safe.=20
Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT
Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side, and it ho=
lds the universe together.
--- "Tom Waters" <tom@tomwaters.net> wrote:
>Here at Wyoming Life Flight, we have 3 sets of husband/wife. 2 are
>both-medic and 1 is medic/nurse. As with most, no written policies exist,
>but couples do not fly or go ground for that matter, together. It is usual=
ly
>only at shift change that the 2 medic teams are ever even seen together, as
>there is kid-turnover and one parent goes home. I have worked several
>places air and ground, and whether written or un, couples do not
>supervise/work toghether, this includes when the pilot may be involved with
>a medical crew member. That happens too, occasionally too.
>
>Good weekend all...
>Tom Waters
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <sgram0529@cs.com>
>To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:48 AM
>Subject: RE: (no subject)
>
>
>> Our company has an unwritten policy that doesn't allow family members to
>fly on the same aircraft together due to the fact that if there were a cra=
sh
>(god forbid), there would be 2 losses in the same family instead of one and
>if there were children involved........imagine the tragedy. My husband and=
I
>both are flight nurses for the same company and due to scheduling issues o=
ur
>crews may fly nurse/nurse occasionally. However, we do not work together on
>the same aircraft. We, along with management, both agree that it is
>definantly in our best interest not to fly together nor sign narcotics
>together. Most of these "guidelines" have been initiated by my husband and=
I
>due to the fact that it is not a common situation and we want to protect
>ourselves. You could see how a jury, or even a supervisor, could look at a
>husband/wife team who had a bad outcome with a patient and wonder if there
>were any issues that were not revealed because they were trying to protect
>each other. I can't say that I wouldn't think the same way in the their
>shoes. As I said before, this is not a written policy for our company, but=
I
>would definantly recommend that you not fly together for liability reasons.
>Fly safely!
>>
>> Serena Gramling
>> Native Air
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bob Johnson" <scoobymedic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >A ? for the group, Does any flight services have any rules about spouses
>(
>> >Nurse/medic )flying together as full time partners.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_________________________________________________________________
>> >Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access!
>> >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
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Message: 22
From: "Deb Milliner" <rotorhead@email.uophx.edu>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: Scenario
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:29:46 -0700
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I have also said a prayer or two and have always known that a hand =
greater than mine made the real difference.
Deb Milliner
University of Phoenix=20
rotorhead@uophx.edu
debmilliner@hotmail.com
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Message: 23
From: "Deb Milliner" <rotorhead@email.uophx.edu>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:31:15 -0700
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
We currently have no married couples in our program, but we do have a couple
that are dating and practically live together (who doesn't?). We do not have
specific rules, but at my last program, the couple had to sign a waiver to
fly together. I don't know if this would hold up in a court of law, but it
was a step.
Deb Milliner
Regional LifeFlight
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:01:39 -0800 (PST)
From: susan nittinger <suziqfly@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Scenario
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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Barbara,
I am very happy to tell you I pray enroute to most of my transports!
Sue Toberman
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<P>Barbara,
<P>I am very happy to tell you I pray enroute to most of my transports!
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Message: 25
From: Ted6016@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:59:42 EST
Subject: (no subject)
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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why is it that some people get hired into flight services that have less
experience and certs than others? Just wondering. And for those that are
wondering...yes i was one that didnt get hired; probably opening up a can or
worms I dont want to, just want opinions.
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get hired into flight services that have less experience and certs than
others? Just wondering. And for those that are wondering...yes i
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Message: 26
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:29:32 -0800
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
From: Jeremy Hawk <akulahawk@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
At my service, (BLS ground, mostly) we generally TRY to keep people
who are a couple off of the same unit. Mostly this is to reduce any
chance of domestic problems arising in front of patients and also to
reduce the chance of patient care differences from becoming a
domestic issue. Actually, this has been the norm at every place I've
worked, and in most cases, a written policy. Where there's a written
policy, it's also standard to attempt to keep couples from being a
supervisor to the other. Again, this reduces domestic problems. This,
however, has rarely happened. No place where I've worked has had
husband & wife in same company. Where we've had couples, we've rarely
had problems when we have HAD to put them together, but this is NOT
standard practice. Regardless, we absolutely require that they get
along while in public or in front of clients (hospitals, patients,
SNF's, families, etc.) and take any issues behind closed doors, out
of sight, and leave it there once resolved. Seems to work, but this
is my own experience with several small companies.
Jeremy Hawk, EMT-P
Stuck on the ground...
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:16:25 -0800
From: Randy L'Heureux <medicwest@shaw.ca>
Subject: Trauma team activation
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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Greetings from what is beginning to become the cold north.
We are continuing (and will be for some time)to work on our scene flights
and trauma systems. There is good information from the flight programs
regarding their launch criteria for scene flights. The question that was
brought up this morning regarded activation of the trauma team at the trauma
center. When you are inbound with a patient is the trauma team activated
based on physical findings, history or a combination of both. If it is
physical findings it would be beneficial to know what your parameters are,
such as BP, GCS etc. As usual any information is greatly appreciated.
Fly safe
Randy L'Heureux
Ambulance Paramedics of British Columbia
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings from what is beginning to become the
cold
north.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are continuing (and will be for some time)to
work on our scene flights and trauma systems. There is good information from
the
flight programs regarding their launch criteria for scene flights. The
question
that was brought up this morning regarded activation of the trauma team at
the
trauma center. When you are inbound with a patient is the trauma team
activated
based on physical findings, history or a combination of both. If it is
physical
findings it would be beneficial to know what your parameters are, such as
BP,
GCS etc. As usual any information is greatly appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fly safe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Randy L'Heureux</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ambulance Paramedics of British
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Message: 28
From: "Robert Humphreys" <rdh33139@bellsouth.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:01:31 -0500
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Just because someone has more certifications (initials behind their =
name) doesn't automatically make them the best candidate or qualify them =
over someone with fewer. As for "experience", depends on what type a =
person has, again more doesn't always mean better. Sometimes an =
employer would rather have someone with less experience so they can =
train them to fit into their system and it's much easier to do this with =
someone with little experience then a seasoned veteran. The other =
factors could be things like letters of reference, what ones application =
and or resume looked like when an employer reads them, how one presents =
themselves at the interview, dress, attitude, etc .... there could be =
any other number of things as well ...
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ted6016@aol.com=20
To: flightmed@flightweb.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:59 AM
Subject: (no subject)
why is it that some people get hired into flight services that have =
less experience and certs than others? Just wondering. And for those =
that are wondering...yes i was one that didnt get hired; probably =
opening up a can or worms I dont want to, just want opinions.=20
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Message: 29
From: Ted6016@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:40:16 EST
Subject: Re: Trauma team activation
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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The trauma center here activates the trauma team on any pt. that is brought
in by air. I have rarely seen them not activated.
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Message: 30
From: "Barbara Dunham" <rotormed77@hotmail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:31:39 -0600
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
If I could chime in my $.02 - at my program, we have a panel interview with
the candidates (usually the on-duty crew members & mgt), and then the 2nd
round is when the possibles are invited back for an interview with our
Medical Director. At least for us, we tend to pick candidates that express
viewpoints similar to the program mission, even though one may not have the
most experience, he/she presents themselves better! No, it's not just the
certifications!
Barb
"Remote for detachment, narrow for chosen company, winding for leisure,
lonely for contemplation, the Trail leads not merely north and south, but
upward to the body, mind, and soul of man."
- Harold Allen, The Appalachian Trail Conference
From: "Robert Humphreys" <rdh33139@bellsouth.net>
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:01:31 -0500
Just because someone has more certifications (initials behind their name)
doesn't automatically make them the best candidate or qualify them over
someone with fewer. As for "experience", depends on what type a person has,
again more doesn't always mean better. Sometimes an employer would rather
have someone with less experience so they can train them to fit into their
system and it's much easier to do this with someone with little experience
then a seasoned veteran. The other factors could be things like letters of
reference, what ones application and or resume looked like when an employer
reads them, how one presents themselves at the interview, dress, attitude,
etc .... there could be any other number of things as well ...
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted6016@aol.com
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:59 AM
Subject: (no subject)
why is it that some people get hired into flight services that have less
experience and certs than others? Just wondering. And for those that are
wondering...yes i was one that didnt get hired; probably opening up a can or
worms I dont want to, just want opinions.
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Message: 31
From: "Jeff Brosius" <reno316@hotmail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Scenario
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:15:50 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Slightly off topic, but it made me re-think my stand on religion:
Once picked up a rather ill elderly female. Sepsis from long-term
indwelling foley. Anyway, enroute, she held her hand out towards nothing.
I asked her what she was reaching for...
"His hand."
"Who's hand, ma'am?"
"Jesus."
I got a little tense, partner drove a little faster, and we arrived at the
ER.
She died about three hours later.
To the original post: Yes, and I don't care who knows it, either.
------------
JRB
Jeff Brosius,
Paramedic, etc.
Atlanta, GA
www.prehospital-perspective.com
brosius@prehospital-perspective.com
"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."
>From: "Deb Milliner" <rotorhead@email.uophx.edu>
>Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
>To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
>Subject: Re: Scenario
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:29:46 -0700
>
>I have also said a prayer or two and have always known that a hand greater
>than mine made the real difference.
>Deb Milliner
>University of Phoenix
>rotorhead@uophx.edu
>debmilliner@hotmail.com
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Message: 32
From: "Jeff Brosius" <reno316@hotmail.com>
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: Re: Trauma team activation
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:20:55 -0500
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
For what it is worth (probably not much...)
Grady Memorial Hosptial (Level 1 in Atlanta, GA) will activate on
physiological or anatomical criteria (ACS COT criteria... e-mail me
privately if you don't know them.)
Rarely will they activate for mechanism alone if there are no associated
physiol. or anatomic findings associated. Once in a while they will (i.e.
pt. is known to have HTN, take B-Blocker, Ca++ Channel blocker, and VS are
on the lower end of normal.) This, as mentioned, is rare.
Then too, we've got 24h in-house surgical staff who can be in the ER in five
minutes or less. At other hospitals, YMMV.
------------
JRB
Jeff Brosius,
Paramedic, etc.
Atlanta, GA
www.prehospital-perspective.com
brosius@prehospital-perspective.com
"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."
>From: Randy L'Heureux <medicwest@shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
>To: flightmed@flightweb.com
>Subject: Trauma team activation
>Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:16:25 -0800
>
>Greetings from what is beginning to become the cold north.
>We are continuing (and will be for some time)to work on our scene flights
>and trauma systems. There is good information from the flight programs
>regarding their launch criteria for scene flights. The question that was
>brought up this morning regarded activation of the trauma team at the
>trauma center. When you are inbound with a patient is the trauma team
>activated based on physical findings, history or a combination of both. If
>it is physical findings it would be beneficial to know what your parameters
>are, such as BP, GCS etc. As usual any information is greatly appreciated.
>Fly safe
>Randy L'Heureux
>Ambulance Paramedics of British Columbia
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Message: 33
From: "Michael Getz" <flightmedicmike@cox.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: Re: Hiring Logistics of Flight Programs
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:02:22 -0700
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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To reply to Ted6016's remark of why programs may elect to hire certain =
candidates with fewer experience over himself, or less certification =
requirements there are perhaps many reasons, and being turned away the =
first or second time should not be entirely discouraging. In my own =
search and discussion with a few programs, I have found there are simply =
logistical considerations not readily apparent to applicants. If you =
are applying out of state, you may not get selected for issues arising =
out of relocation matters. A long distance interview can be financially =
burdening for the applicant to travel to, or for the program to offer =
the cost of. I am aware of some programs utilizing subjective =
psychological profiling during interviews and perhaps pervious flight =
experience is not as desirable for some programs as they may desire =
inexperience to better train a new employee without inheriting "bad =
habits". I would encourage anyone applying for flight positions to be =
patient, as it may take some time and repeat applications to land the =
job you hope to acquire.
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employee=20
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Message: 34
From: DavidT8525@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:01:26 EST
Subject: Re: Trauma team activation
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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Here at VCUHS, there is a two tier activation. Essentially, any problem with
the primary survey (ABC or D) they get the highest alert, and any issues
such
as mechanism, co-morbid factors, or high potential injury patterns (i.e. 2
long bone fx's, etc.) get a reduced response. About the only difference
between the two is that you get a Trauma Attending with the higher alert vs.
a Chief or Sr. Resident, the rest of the team stays consistent. The triage
nurse can make the call based on report, or when unsure will confer with ED
Physician.
David Trueman, RN
VCU LifeEvac
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FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Here at VCUHS, there is a two tier activation.
Essentially, any problem with the primary survey (ABC or D) they get the
highest alert, and any issues such as mechanism, co-morbid factors, or high
potential injury patterns (i.e. 2 long bone fx's, etc.) get a reduced
response. About the only difference between the two is that you get a Trauma
Attending with the higher alert vs. a Chief or Sr. Resident, the rest of the
team stays consistent. The triage nurse can make the call based on report,
or when unsure will confer with ED Physician.<BR>
<BR>
David Trueman, RN<BR>
VCU LifeEvac </FONT></HTML>
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Message: 35
From: KReninger@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:45:31 EST
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
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Message: 36
From: "Terry Foutch" <tfoutch@cookeville.com>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: (no subject)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:32:06 -0600
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Ted,
I am a RN, Paramedic. Was a paramedic first with Nashville Fire Department
for six years, went to nursing school. My nursing experience included
manager of an ER/ICU. Staff nurse in ER, staff nurse in ICU, three years
cath lab, and house supervisor. I am active in EMS education and hold
instructor certs in PALS, ACLS, etc.
I tell you this offer you some insight. I was recently hired as a flight
nurse at Erlanger Life Force. I began applying in 1995, and counting the
first four positions in 1995 when they opened a satellite base where I now
work, have applied for 9 positions (every opening they have had since this
base was opened). My only advice is this - be persistent. Prepare
yourself, keep a good, positive attitude, and never give up on your goal. I
believe it has also helped me to pray a lot.
Consequently, I feel in some ways, my career as a flight nurse will be much
more successful after waiting these seven years. I have had the opportunity
to mature and gain experiences I would never have gained if I had been hired
in 1995.
Stay positive, and don't compromise. I know how you feel. Will be glad to
discuss further if I can help.
Terry Foutch, RN, EMTP
Erlanger Medical Center
Life Force Air Medical Services
Chattanooga, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: flightmed-admin@flightweb.com
[mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com]On Behalf Of Ted6016@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:00 AM
To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Subject: (no subject)
why is it that some people get hired into flight services that have less
experience and certs than others? Just wondering. And for those that are
wondering...yes i was one that didnt get hired; probably opening up a can or
worms I dont want to, just want opinions.
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I am a=20
RN, Paramedic. Was a paramedic first with Nashville Fire =
Department for=20
six years, went to nursing school. My nursing experience included =
manager=20
of an ER/ICU. Staff nurse in ER, staff nurse in ICU, three years =
cath lab,=20
and house supervisor. I am active in EMS education and hold =
instructor=20
certs in PALS, ACLS, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I tell=20
you this offer you some insight. I was recently hired as a flight =
nurse at=20
Erlanger Life Force. I began applying in 1995, and counting the =
first four=20
positions in 1995 when they opened a satellite base where I now work, =
have=20
applied for 9 positions (every opening they have had since this base was =
opened). My only advice is this - be persistent. Prepare =
yourself,=20
keep a good, positive attitude, and never give up on your goal. I =
believe=20
it has also helped me to pray a lot. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Consequently, I feel in some ways, my career as a flight nurse =
will be=20
much more successful after waiting these seven years. I have had =
the=20
opportunity to mature and gain experiences I would never have gained if =
I had=20
been hired in 1995. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Stay=20
positive, and don't compromise. I know how you feel. Will be =
glad to=20
discuss further if I can help.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Terry=20
Foutch, RN, EMTP</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Erlanger Medical Center</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Life=20
Force Air Medical Services</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D773322204-03112002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Chattanooga, TN</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Ted6016@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 02, =
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dont want=20
to, just want opinions.</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Message: 37
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 06:59:39 -0500
From: "David Pilkenton" <pilkenda@musc.edu>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject: RE: (no subject)
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Great response Ted; the power of positive thinking.....................
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Message: 38
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 08:38:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Hiring Logistics of Flight Programs
From: <mikeshuken@mail.value.net>
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Reply-To: flightmed@flightweb.com
Here's a good tip: Try calling the service that didn't hire you and ask
why. Don't ask, "Why did you hire someone else" but say, "Is there a
specific reason I didn't get hired?" Let them know you are interested in
improving yourself in order to become a better qualified candidate. Ask
them specifically what you would need to do to get hired next time. Talk
to one of the managers themselves instead of one of the flight crew
members - even if it was a flight crew member that interviewed you. There
is no guarantee that they will hire you next time either, but I would bet
that you will get some advice on ways to improve your desirability as a
potential new hire. And like the last poster stated, try not to get
discouraged - It's an extremely competitive job position (some people say
for every one flight medic position there are 100 candidates). It often
takes more than one or two interviews to get hired...
Good luck,
Mike
Mike Shuken
Paramedic
AMR
Oakland, Calif.
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