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Regarding Air Evac... I know several of their staff and Management personnel. One of my dear friends just left AE for a PD position with another program even. I can say that they are the finest and most professional of any other programs around. They have a vision and do provide a valuable service. I email almost on a daily basis several of their Paramedics and Management staff. We have exchanged ideas, study materials, etc. They do not worry about the fact that I am Management with another program, just a couple Air Medical Personnel trying to help someone and make a difference. That is the way it should be. A little competetion is healthy and good, and keeps everyone "on their toes" to speak. I know we have several "competetion agencies" in my locale that we operate in...we do our best to work with them and never say anothing negative about them to public forums, especially like this list server. Let us all remember that we are all somewhat intertwined to a degree in this business.  

Rick Patterson, NREMT-P, CCEMT-P
Critical Care Flight Paramedic
Base Supervisor

Mercy Flight Central, NY


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Today's Topics:

   1. Air-Evac (sheldon dreaddy)
   2. Re:Air-Evac (JBetts@urhcs.org)
   3. Re:Air-Evac (Michael Johnston)
   4. RE:Air-Evac (Ed)
   5. documentation forms (Geoff Scott)
   6. Re:Air-Evac (John Graham)
   7. Re:Air-Evac (Ronnie Daniel)
   8. NFPA FP-C STudy Guide (Rick Patterson)


Any comments about Air-Evac EMS INC.  and their
competition with other programs and the quality of
care they provide. I was reading the article about
their expansion  (again) on CNN.com. Seems like they
are indeed flooding the market, I kind of feel bad for
the existing programs in these areas, Eagle Med and
other providers shouldn't have Air-Evac moving in and
taking away business. 

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I think competition is what makes us better at what we do.  Plus we live in
a free world.  So, Air-Evac should have the opportunity to do what they
want.  As long as, they provide quality patient care.  Just my 2 cents!






I can speak for Midwest Lifeteam based in East Wichita Kansas. This program is a definite asset to the
communities in our area. The medical staff as well as the pilots are among the highest trained
professionals in the business. I personally know most everyone that staffs this base and can say that I
would put my life in any of their hands on any given day. The level of care that they provide is
definitely above and beyond the call.
As far as this line about competition with EagleMed, I don't see that this should even be a debate! Like
the Police Dept., and the Sheriff Dept., they are both in the area to provide a service to the community,
if one service is down, or unable to take a call because they are already busy then this means that
someone, somewhere who is in critical need of a helicopter has another option.


sheldon dreaddy wrote:

> Any comments about Air-Evac EMS INC.  and their
> competition with other programs and the quality of
> care they provide. I was reading the article about
> their expansion  (again) on CNN.com. Seems like they
> are indeed flooding the market, I kind of feel bad for
> the existing programs in these areas, Eagle Med and
> other providers shouldn't have Air-Evac moving in and
> taking away business.
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I don't believe the Air-Evac EMS has anything to do with the AirEvac in
Phoenix.  That is a PHI company not related to other one.

Ed

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Subject: Air-Evac


Any comments about Air-Evac EMS INC.  and their
competition with other programs and the quality of
care they provide. I was reading the article about
their expansion  (again) on CNN.com. Seems like they
are indeed flooding the market, I kind of feel bad for
the existing programs in these areas, Eagle Med and
other providers shouldn't have Air-Evac moving in and
taking away business.

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we are in the process of revising our documentation and are looking for ideas.  i would appreciate anyone sending/faxing/emailing me a copy of their forms.
 
thanks in advance,
 
geoff scott, rn ,bsn, bs
flight nurse
university of chicago aeromedical network
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I recomend you go to Air-Evac Lifeteams web site and
see what they are all about, it shows everything from
there history to base locations to why they are in
business and safety. (www.Air-Evac.com) Other than the
regional bases, most are in rural (very rural)
america.  AE is providing air coverage to people who
either had none (especially scene flights) or have to
wait a long period of time for the aircraft to come
from the city to the rural setting back to the city. 
AE can allow for the 1st leg to be very short and
significatly impact the golden hour. As far as
flooding the market, ground services and hospitals
call all the time wanting a helicopter immediatly, but
can not get one because all of the available aircraft
in that market are on other missions.

John G 

 
--- sheldon dreaddy <roamingnurse@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Any comments about Air-Evac EMS INC.  and their
> competition with other programs and the quality of
> care they provide. I was reading the article about
> their expansion  (again) on CNN.com. Seems like they
> are indeed flooding the market, I kind of feel bad
> for
> the existing programs in these areas, Eagle Med and
> other providers shouldn't have Air-Evac moving in
> and
> taking away business. 
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I agree with the notion that competition may in fact keep us all on our toes (so to speak).  This may improve patient care or at least increase our awareness that there is another company in our midst that could potentially impact another services request volume...naturally this has PR implications.

I would like to know about everyone's feelings either subjective or factual information that you may have regarding the membership program that Air-Evac sells.

It has been my understanding that these membership programs, though widespread, that they are not necessarily on the up and up legally.

I do have additional information on this topic, but I would like to start a discussion on this topic.  Are there any legal concerns regarding air medical services using memberships to gain revenue, knowing in advance that they may not necessarily be able to keep their end of the agreement given a number of circumstances

 

  John Graham <medikjohn@yahoo.com> wrote:

I recomend you go to Air-Evac Lifeteams web site and
see what they are all about, it shows everything from
there history to base locations to why they are in
business and safety. (www.Air-Evac.com) Other than the
regional bases, most are in rural (very rural)
america. AE is providing air coverage to people who
either had none (especially scene flights) or have to
wait a long period of time for the aircraft to come
from the city to the rural setting back to the city.
AE can allow for the 1st leg to be very short and
significatly impact the golden hour. As far as
flooding the market, ground services and hospitals
call all the time wanting a helicopter immediatly, but
can not get one because all of the available aircraft
in that market are on other missions.

John G


--- sheldon dreaddy wrote:
> Any comments about Air-Evac EMS INC. and their
> competition with other programs and the quality of
> care they provide. I was reading the article about
> their expansion (again) on CNN.com. Seems like they
> are indeed flooding the market, I kind of feel bad
> for
> the existing programs in these areas, Eagle Med and
> other providers shouldn't have Air-Evac moving in
> and
> taking away business.
>
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I just received my study guide from Pat Petersen and must say it is very nicely laid out. Hats off to NFPA for yet another fine job. It is now one of my favorite refrence materials. It breaks it down to topics, study material and then test questions for each section!

Safe flying

Rick Patterson, NREMT-P, CCEMT-P
Critical Care Flight Paramedic
Base Supervisor

Bus. Ph. 585-396-0584
Home Ph. 585-396-1716
Pager #  585-214-3395
www.mercyflightcentral.org


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:xrays (Julielbacon@aol.com)
   2. Transfer of care issue (stevelb)
   3. Re: Vents (Sherri Dean)
   4. xray (Akgrn@aol.com)
   5. RE:PHRN (James Dinsch)
   6. windows ce medical programs?? (Traumaweasel@aol.com)
   7. Transfusions (BKJRN@aol.com)
   8. RE:Transfusions (Pickett, Debra L.)
   9. windows ce medical programs?? (ROSEMARY E. ADAM)
  10. Re:Transfusions-part II (copterrn@bellsouth.net)
  11. Medic to Nurse transition (DEWAYNE MILLER)
  12. Re:Transfusions (john galt)
  13. Re:Transfusions (BKJRN@aol.com)
  14. Re: Transfusions (Cece/Fred Peterson)


Do you mind if it's a peds?

Julie Bacon
Child-Flight
Intensive Air





Hi All - thanks for all the great facts/feedback/opinions regarding transferring care to a ground crew to complete a fixed wing transfer.  Personally, as many of you mentioned - I feel strongly about giving my patients their "money's worth", protecting my patient, my license, and continuity of care.  This is an issue I will re-visit with our medical director.  It had nothing to do with the RN/Paramedic issue!  I posted this question to get answers; I'm still new to the industry, (flying for 3 years) and it's nice to be able to find out what's going on.  Lindy Boyersmith, Flight RN 




We have been using the LTV 1000 for about the last year and love it!!  The Pulmonetics people have been great and we have been very impressed with the vent overall.  

The biggest problem I  had was when it got stuck in Portuguese!!

Feel free to contact me with questions.

Sherri Dean RN, CCRN
Children's Critical Care Transport
Kansas City, MO
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From: "Hal Iverson" <iversh@SLRMC.ORG>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:43:29 -0600
To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
Subject:  Vents


> Does anyone have experience using the Oxylog 2000 with  pts. 1-8 years of age? Or the Pulmonetics LTV in the transport environment in general?  Thanks for the input! Choices, choices, choices...
> 
> Hal Iverson, R.N., EMT-P
> Air St. Luke's
> Boise, ID
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Thanks to all who responded for my request for an xray with an ETT.  Your 
response to my request once again shows why this list serve and our transport 
community are of the highest caliber....  The chapter for the ASTNA workbook 
will certainly be enhanced by your willingness to share for an educational 
project!!! 

Angie Golden





In Illinois, PHRN is an additional licensure held by RN's that allows
them, after a brief training program including intubation, to function
as paramedics in the field.  When an RN is working as a PHRN, however,
he/she is not allowed to work as an RN.  They function under one license
or the other.

James Dinsch, FF/NREMTP, CCEMTP
Condell Medical Center EMS System
Libertyville, IL
jdinsch@fireemstech.com

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[mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Ken Lawson-Williams
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:26 AM
To: flightweb editor
Subject: PHRN


Can anyone provide me with URL to find out more about this? (Training
sites, how differs from 'normal' RN etc)? How well accepted by EMS?
Flight programs?, Hospitals? 

Fly Safe. 
Ken L-W CCEMT-P/WMT

"...A mind stretched with new ideas never regains its former shape"







does anyon have of know of any medical programs for windows ce???  seems like 
everything is for palm-- I have a cassiopeia--  would like some drug calc or 
whatever programs there are for my casio




let me know
Geoff Patty RN
Traumaweasel@aol.com





I'm just curious how many programs out there carry uncrossmatched blood on flights.  Is anyone aware of any study that demonstrates the efficacy of prehospital blood transfusion?  I think we all know that blood carries oxygen, therefore it's benefit is demonstrated when it's needed.  I'm just curious as to whether a study exists that demonstrates this benefit in terms of length of survival in hospital or survival to discharge.  

Our program carries two units of O- blood on all trauma flights (scene and interfacility) and flights in which the transfusion of blood may be necessary (GI bleeds, aortic aneurysms, etc).  

Thanks,

Brian Jefferson, RN, CFRN, NREMT-P
MedCenter Air
Charlotte, NC





We do carry O negative as well.  Erlanger Medical Center is in the process of doing a research project.  My understanding is that they have 30 programs participating with approximately equal representation of programs that administer blood to those that exclusively use crystalloids.

Debbie Pickett, R.N., C.E.N.
Chief Flight Nurse
UT Lifestar Aeromedical Services
Phone: (865) 544-8992
Fax:     (865) 544-8868
E-mail:  dpickett@mc.utmck.edu





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> Subject: RE: Transfusions


To take the transfusion discussion on a tangent:

Of the NON hospital based programs, IE: hospital-owned satellite based programs, or public service run programs, how many provide blood for their pre-hospital needs?

If so, how are the standards maintained for storage, usage and stock replacement accomplished? 

Play Safe.

David Summers RN, etc
Jupiter Florida
copterrn@bellsouth.net
webmaster: www.florida-air-medical.org
We do carry O negative as well.  Erlanger Medical Center is in the process of doing a research project.  My understanding is that they have 30 programs participating with approximately equal representation of programs that administer blood to those that exclusively use crystalloids.

Debbie Pickett, R.N., C.E.N.
Chief Flight Nurse
UT Lifestar Aeromedical Services
Phone: (865) 544-8992
Fax:     (865) 544-8868
E-mail:  dpickett@mc.utmck.edu





A question for the list.........

Does anyone have a policy defining criteria required for a Flight Paramedic
to transition into a Flight Nurse position after graduation from a nursing
program?

Please respond to my private e-mail address, I would be happy to share info
if anyone sends me a request.

Thank you,

DeWayne Miller
foxtrot06@prodigy.net








these might get you started:

Dalton, AM. Use of blood transfusions by helicopter emergency medical 
services. Is it safe? From: Injury vol. 24 (1993) pg. 509-510

Garner, et al. Massive prehospital transfusion in multiple blunt trauma. 
(case review) From: Medical Journal of Australia vol 170:4 (1999)pg 23-25.

Ben Dengerink
Flight for Life. Denver, CO

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We do carry O negative as well.  Erlanger Medical Center is in the process of doing a research project.  My understanding is that they have 30 programs participating with approximately equal representation of programs that administer blood to those that exclusively use crystalloids.

Debbie Pickett, R.N., C.E.N.
Chief Flight Nurse
UT Lifestar Aeromedical Services
Phone: (865) 544-8992
Fax:     (865) 544-8868
E-mail:  dpickett@mc.utmck.edu





Thanks, Ben.

Brian




Hi Brian,
 
LifeFlight in Pennsylvania carries two each of O-neg and O-pos on every flight, whether trauma, cardiac, or PR... doesn't matter; if the nurses are in the aircraft, so is the blood.  (The O-neg goes to women of child-bearing age; others get the O-pos.)  We have so many back-to-back flights, or instances when we're diverted from a cardiac to a scene, or the patient is sicker than as originally billed, that it makes sense just to have it on board every time we fly. 
 
We have aircraft at several hospitals as well as at airports, and at each of our five bases, we maintain blood refrigerators which are approved by our institution's blood bank, and we must follow strict guidelines for checking the temps, alarms etc.  When blood is one week from expiration, we return it to our institution's blood bank when we fly in and exchange it for fresh.
 
Hope this helps..
Cece Peterson, RN, CEN, CFRN
LifeFlight, Pittsburgh, PA
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Transfusions

I'm just curious how many programs out there carry uncrossmatched blood on flights.  Is anyone aware of any study that demonstrates the efficacy of prehospital blood transfusion?  I think we all know that blood carries oxygen, therefore it's benefit is demonstrated when it's needed.  I'm just curious as to whether a study exists that demonstrates this benefit in terms of length of survival in hospital or survival to discharge.  

Our program carries two units of O- blood on all trauma flights (scene and interfacility) and flights in which the transfusion of blood may be necessary (GI bleeds, aortic aneurysms, etc).  

Thanks,

Brian Jefferson, RN, CFRN, NREMT-P
MedCenter Air
Charlotte, NC



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