Re: Turf battles

[Ken Lawson-Williams <Macgyver@FlightMedicMail.com>]

Well said!! 

F.Y.I. There are a few programs that do that now. I know of 2, a helicopter service with 2 bases in Alberta and a fixed wing program in the Northwest territories. The ONLY difference in Alberta is the legal restrictions on paramedics in Alberta against initiating blood (can only continue it). The NWT program has total equivalency, although the medics tend to do the intubations more than the nurses (on a per capita basis) as they have a lot more experience at it, both also have to maintain current NRP / PALS or ENPC.

Sort of like working together in the best interest of the patient. Isn't that what we all claim to be doing? 
 
Fly Safe. KLW


--- Robert P Berger <firefly412@blomand.net> wrote:
>Years ago, I started in a flight program, directed by a visionary named
>Danny Norman. He envisioned, created and perfected the helicopter
>non-precision GPS approaches that many of your programs use today. He also,
>after many years of hearing similar discussions among flight crews,
>envisioned the creation of the "Flight Crew Member." No Flight Nurses, no
>Flight Paramedics, no names...just "Flight Crew Member". He thought there
>should be avenue to train and educate persons to operate in the air
>medical/critical care environment, and that environment only. (Todd A.,
>Kelly H. and Sandy K....I believe we discussed this in Charleston, SC a few
>years ago) Those who questioned the ability to fly a GPS approach in a
>helicopter, back in the early 90's, I suppose you are questioning the
>possibility of a "Flight Crew Member" about now. Just think of the many
>hours we have spent discussing this topic and what we could have done with
>the time if this vision had been realized.
>
>Food for thought,
>
>R. Berger
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <SUllrich@att.net>
>To: <flightmed@flightweb.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:07 PM
>Subject: Re: Turf battles
>
>
>> The debate that arises from time to time on the web
>> helps to exemplify the great thing about our flight
>> jobs.  No matter what experience or background you bring
>> to this job, you are now doing a job that is different
>> from any job you've held prior and you are exposed to
>> knew things everyday.  You also have the opportunity to
>> work with a team comprised of people from many different
>> areas of expertise.  I would also add that with proper
>> flight training and a few flights under your belt, the
>> difference between you and your partner's background
>> should be invisible when caring for a patient.  It is
>> everyone's responsibility to share the knowledge they
>> bring to this job and learn everything they can in areas
>> that they are not as strong.  If I'm ever lying on the
>> cot I don't care what your background is along as
>> everyone works together and knows what to do.  This is
>> what makes this job fantastic.
>>
>> Steve Ullrich
>> > >>When are these RIDICULOUS battles going to end?
>> >
>> > >>All these ongoing disagreements do is to further degrade our
>professions
>> > collectively.
>> >
>> > Please forgive me but I disagree.  I don't see these discussions as
>arguements
>> > but more so as debates.  Debates are utilized to provide a forum for
>both sides
>> > of the story to be heard and considered.  I don't see how you can call
>open
>> > communication about a known problem "rediculous".  The RN vs. Paramedic
>battle
>> > has waged for years and will continue as long as we try to sweep it
>under the
>> > carpet and act like it's not there.  Further more, having this rivalry
>> > smoldering in the back ground will do more to degrade our profession
>then openly
>> > addressing the issue.
>> >
>> > I have a uique perspective on this debat because my father is a BSN,
>CFRN.
>> > Because of our relationship I have been fortunate to be able to discuss
>this
>> > issue with him at great lengths with out the "ego trips" that normally
>appear in
>> > such discussion.
>> >
>> > Flight medicine and crtical care transports didn't create this conflict
>it just
>> > magnifies it.  In this profession RN's and medics work together in a way
>that is
>> > rarely experienced in any other aspect of health care.  If we are honest
>with
>> > ourselves, we can all say that we gained respect for the opposite
>profession
>> > after flying with them for a while.   We gain this respect because we
>didn't
>> > have it to begin with.  A problem that goes back to our past experiences
>working
>> > in ER's or on ambulances.   Because of this, we should utilize our
>relationship
>> > to address this issue, dispell the myth's and educate our college's in
>the
>> > Hospitals and Ambulances so that future flight teams wont have to follow
>in our
>> > footsteps and have this same conversation 10 years from now.
>> >
>> > Respectfully,
>> >
>> > Wesley Copeland
>> >
>>
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