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Re: stable neonate transports



Andrew,
 
Very interesting question but from direct observation of current practices in multiple states then there's enough of those violations to go around and to close plenty of institutions. New Medicare regs also have some bearing here I'd think too. There's the bit about the specially trained paramedic.  No definitions I' ve seen. Probably should be one. I  think that the properly trained paramedic ( team) can do up to their training and medical direction. Just my 0.02 worth. I do know that some nursing groups have had laws recently written and enacted to prevent this from happening unfounately I believe  Mr. DeBoer is located in one of those. It saddens me to see that paramedics ( as a "profession") just haven't got their act together to at least counter these type of actions. I do NOT want to reopen the Nurse Medic debate. " Can't lick em, Join em" - my attitude.  Two different professions with different focuses.
 
Jim Kendrick FP-C , GN (NCLEX-RN soon)
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: stable neonate transports

In a message dated 3/30/2002 12:47:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdeboer@uchospitals.edu writes:


Greetings - Our medical center based team is utilized for all critical
    care transports into our house (neonatal/pediatric/adult) & we
    commonly only have one crew on duty per shift - with this staffing
    pattern, we can miss flights because we are transporting a "perfectly
    stable" newborn - as we routinely triage peds & adult patients as to
    appropriate crew configuration (full transport team vs. specialty
    medics alone), we feel that our specialty trained paramedics could
    very appropriately transport these babies as well without having an RN
    present - I am looking to see what other facilities require in regards
    to crew configuration for stable neonates (i.e. hyperbili, coming for
    a neuro/ortho eval,etc) - i.e. is a transport nurse always needed for
    babies & why?
    Thanx for your input
    Scott DeBoer RN,MSN
    Flight Nurse Educator : UCAN
    University of Chicago Hospitals
    Chicago, IL USA



The way this was explained to me by our Hospital's legal people is that when a patient is retrieved from another facility using a hospital-based transport service, whether it be ground or air, it is an EMTALA violation to provide a level of care less than what the patient was receiving at the sending hospital, or will receive at the receiving hospital.  

I personally have some problems with this.  Now, what does this mean?  Does this mean a Physician must accompany every patient?  Does this mean that every BLS interfacility transport is an EMTALA violation?  I'm not trying to get into the age-old medic VS nurse debate again, but in the situation you describe, and the way the law was explained to me, this would appear to be an EMTALA violation, as medics are not "up to the level" of a nurse, per the letter of the law.  As always, I may be mistaken so please feel free to correct me.  Thanks!

Andy

Andrew Snyder, BS, NREMT-P  

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