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RE: Differences in oxygen suppliers



Ted,

Being a Paramedic, Pilot and a Certified Welder, I have used all 3 types of oxygen extensively. Most of the oxygen in the US is made in the liquid form because it is much easier to store and transport. For the compressed cylinders, they take the vapor off and compress it. A friend of mine has a plant right next door to my office (scary). All 3 types come out of the same liquid tank. The difference is the way the cylinders are filled. Medical oxygen is required to put a vacuum on the cylinder and completely remove all contents and then fill from a closed system meaning no air can get into the tank after it is vacuumed and before it is filled. This is regardless of whether or not the tank has been emptied. Aviation oxygen has to be vacuumed if the tank has been emptied. If it still has 200 psi, they can just fill it. Welding oxygen does not matter.

 

The FDA regulates medical oxygen and there has been some violations cited by them for small ambulances that had their own cascade system. The concern for medical oxygen is if the tank has been emptied and is not vacuumed, then there can be nitrogen in the tank and when that get compressed, something happens and the patient can get 100% nitrogen instead of oxygen. I would think it would mix with the oxygen but it must not. I did hear of one death a few years ago, but do not remember where. With aviation oxygen there is that concern as well as moisture. Since airplanes often fly in freezing conditions the moisture can freeze in the lines and cut off the pilots oxygen. I see people using cascades to fill both medical and aviation oxygen at airports all the time, but I am not sure that it is legal. The oxygen place next door says it is very dangerous to do if you do not have a vacuum system.

 

Since the oxygen comes from liquid, it is pretty much 100% pure with no vapor. The only impurities are what is induced in the filling of the bottles. This is a good case for using liquid for both medical and aviation which is becoming available more and more in both air ambulance and ground ambulance.

 

Hope that helps!

 

Mark Young

 

-----Original Message-----
From: flightmed-admin@flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com] On Behalf Of Ted Reesor
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:59 PM
To: RC World Professional Forum; flightmed
Subject: Differences in oxygen suppliers

 

Greetings all.

I was presented with an interesting question related to oxygen supply and knew you would be the people to approach.  Given that there are four main types of industrial oxygen markets out there; medical, aviation, welding and research, what are the main differences in them other than cost.  My understanding is that welding oxygen can be of higher purity than the medical stuff and aviation can be considerably cheaper.  I went on a transport to the far north once and found that the oxygen cylinders were labelled (I believe) 98% USP versus what I thought was the 99.99% USP norm.

I realize that legalities play an important part, but couldn't one argue that a higher refined product meant for welding be as good or better than say, and oxygen concentrator?  I have found one article that has circulated in many many web sites that briefly mentions it.



Ted Reesor, RRT/RRCP
Joseph Brant Memorial Hospital
Burlington, Ontario

 


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