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RE: Incoming Fixed WIng flight personnel on ground units



Here in Arizona,  our EMS system developed in such a manner that field treatment and transport are different components in many instances, so historically it has been quite common for fire department paramedics to provide ALS aboard a BLS transport vehicle and flight crews typically have been allowed some discretion in choosing whether to request a BLS or ALS transport vehicle.
 
The legal status of a non-resident flight crew while aboard an Arizona-licensed ambulance is far from clear and I can't even make an educated guess as to how the liability would fall in the event of an untoward incident in the ambulance that lead to a bad outcome for the patient.  Such case law as exists addresses only the circumstance of a non-resident nurse working within a federal facility and provides that the Arizona Board of Nursing only has jurisdiction if that nurse holds an Arizona license.  An interesting legal argument has been proposed that the well-established Federal pre-emption of State regulation of air medical services could be used to provide some protection for non-resident healthcare practitioners during the ground transport leg, but I find that argument weak in view of decisions that IHS facilities are Federal facilities, airways and airports are Federal facilities and in some case, the receiving hospitals are Federal facilities, but the ground transport between them is not unless provided by an agency of the Federal government or the transport involves Native American patients within the legal boundaries of a reservation.   Because severe cephalgia is the only predictable outcome of an attempt to rationally analyze the possibilities, we generally operate on the far more palatable "Ignorance is bliss" principle.
 
My best judgement would be that it would be advisable to request an ALS ambulance any time the patient is receiving ALS-level care en route (or may reasonably be expected to require such care at any point prior to arrival at the receiving facility).  In addition to avoiding potentially messy liability issues, the fact that the ambulance is fully equipped provides an additional layer of benefit to the patient should your equipment fail (not an uncommon scenario, in my experience).  I recognize that fixed-wing operators often work on a competitive bid basis and the cost of the ground component is often built into the quote so there can be a market disadvantage in over-using ALS ground transport when BLS transport would do.  But if we're really talking about seamless interfacility transport, it would seem prudent to use ALS transport whenever the patient requires ALS care.
 
 
regards!
 
paul
 
 
Paul M. Wright, jr.
Mesa, AZ
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: flightmed-admin@flightweb.com [mailto:flightmed-admin@flightweb.com]On Behalf Of Michael D. Graf NREMT-P
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:19 AM
To: Flightweb
Subject: Incoming Fixed WIng flight personnel on ground units

Hi all question for the group,
      Can anyone help me with your states jurisditional requirements regarding fixed wing flight personnel operating in the back of an ambulance while transporting from the aircraft to the receiving facility.
 
Quite often patients are transported from state to state, when a flight crew arrives to pick up a patient whether it be in their base state or out of state, the ground unit that is sent is either BLS or ALS.  My question is if a BLS unit is sent to pick up or the crew or patient requiring ALS care, what guidelines are there state by state for flight crews to operate in the back of another states ambulance or do we need to have ALS units pick us up for transfer of our patients to the receiving facility.
 
Thanks
 
Michael D. Graf NREMT-P
Director Air Medical Operations
Able American Jets
Ft. Pierce, Florida  

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